• Gorilladrums@lemmy.world
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    3 days ago

    That’s literally how politics is supposed to work. People are a product of circumstance, and since there are a lot of people with different circumstances that constantly change, there’s going to be a competition of power. Democracy, as a concept, exists to facilitate this competition peacefully. People vote for their best interests, and politicians compete with each other to convince voters that they understand their circumstances and will do what’s in their best interest. If a voter feels like a politicians isn’t representing them anymore, they move to a different politicians that represents them better.

    You have to be some type of authoritarian to embrace the idea that people are inherently evil or their politics is immutable. If you reject the notion that people can change their views, compromise, or cooperate with each other then you’re fundamentally at odds with democracy, and YOU are the problem.

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      3 days ago

      That is if you assume everyone is selfish and cares only for themselves. Solidarity exists. she only cared about herself, she did not care at all for anyone else who Trump promised to hurt.

      This is not how politics works, and if no one has empathy for anyone else and only cares from themselves, then society itself wont work.

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        1 day ago

        You say politics shouldn’t be about self interest, but you’re condemning someone for not showing solidarity in the past while refusing to acknowledge that they might have it now. That’s not principled, that’s punitive.

        You’re demanding empathy from others while showing none yourself. If someone changes their views because they’ve experienced harm, that’s not selfish. That’s how people grow. If you actually believe in solidarity, you should welcome people who come around, not gatekeep it.

        Otherwise, you’re not defending empathy. You’re using it as a weapon to feel morally superior. That’s hypocritical.

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          1 day ago

          Let’s say, i doubt that by pure coincidence she got a moral compass the exact same moment her choices caught up to her.

          I see her as a liability to any group. accept her at your own risk. and enjoy getting backstabbed or have your movement coopted.

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            1 day ago

            So it looks like I was spot on, you really are self righteous moral crusader with superiority complex.

            Also, it’s not a matter of acceptance. It’s a matter of strategic opportunity. You can’t ever achieve anything at all if all you ever do is gatekeep, run endless purity tests, and operate in absolute extremes.

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                1 day ago

                It’s literally the opposite. I’m saying people like her are not MAGA, and they can serve to bolster a coalition that can help advance good policy… which is what’s most important at the end of the day. You’re myopic worldview limits your to only ever interact with people who 100% agree with you, and your only solution is revolution because you think that will lead to some purifying reset. You’re in a bubble dude, you lack the ability to be pragmatic in any meaningful sense.