Surely, that was only the last nail on the coffin?
I think of the whole universe, the whole “creation”, as some kind of cosmic crime scene, and billions of Christians over the centuries have very thoroughly and desperately scanned it for evidence as to who did it.
That scene is the largest possible scene - there literally exists nothing else - and the number of investigators looking for clues is vast. Yet despite these odds, nobody has ever found any kind of undeniable evidence that God did it all.
I don’t need to read a book to understand that you can’t believe in a claim that contradicts that reality.
Vast? Not disagreeing by any means but you’re kidding yourself if you think humanity has “thoroughly and desperately scanned” even a fraction of a fraction of only THE MILKY WAY. We haven’t even set foot on another planet in OUR OWN SOLAR SYSTEM. Even if we were to assume all the species on earth were looking
We are SO helplessly ignorant when it comes to the rest of the universe. We’re still grasping at straws and don’t know how half the stuff works or even where any of it is really located.
Will we ever find God? I don’t know, but we’re sure as shit nowhere near understanding anything enough to say a god DIDN’T do it.
But it’s like dropping a plate from the top of the empire state building. You’re a block away and a little chip hits you. You don’t know where it came from or why. You don’t know the larger whole it used to make up. You and your family could spend generations examining that one little chip and learn EVERYTHING about it while still knowing nothing about it’s origin or original shape.
Either way, we’ve got a lot to learn, which excites me
No, I just think we’re missing a lot. The evidence we can gather is from a very teeny tiny section of the “universe-spanning crime scene.” It reminds me of The Expanse, they find something they don’t understand and they compare it to monkeys playing with a microwave:
“Push a button, a light comes on inside, so it’s a light. Push a different button and stick your hand inside, it burns you, so it’s a weapon. Learn to open and close the door, it’s a place to hide things. Never grasping what it actually did, and maybe not even having the framework necessary to figure it out. No monkey ever reheated a frozen burrito.”
Like yeah, astronomers/cosmologists/astrophysicists are smart compared to the average human, but the average human is smart compared to a chimp. Are we even capable of putting the pieces together that we’re getting?
Are we even capable of putting the pieces together that we’re getting?
Yes, absolutely, and more progress is made as more new evidence is found. The thing is, until that happens, scientists are perfectly comfortable with the gaps, and saying “I don’t know”, instead of filling those gaps with an evil sky wizard.
Will we ever find God? I don’t know, but we’re sure as shit nowhere near understanding anything enough to say a god DIDN’T do it.
By that logic, we can also not be sure that it wasn’t Ralph the Wonderllama who lives on Proxima Centauri and sings songs by Simply Red all day.
Also, you completely missed my point - which was that billions of people have been trying to come up with evidence for many centuries, and of course, they can only look at a tiny fraction of the universe, but that doesn’t matter. If you haven’t found even a trace of shit, you can’t possibly make a claim saying otherwise.
Well, you can, but in that case it’s such huge and extraordinary claim that frankly, noone in their right mind should even consider giving it a second thought.
Most humans are still confident we are alone in the universe, because it “would be too long to travel”. How arrogant is that? I think extreamly arrogant.
I read the entire Bible when I was a kid.
Atheism was the only possible path for me after that.
Surely, that was only the last nail on the coffin?
I think of the whole universe, the whole “creation”, as some kind of cosmic crime scene, and billions of Christians over the centuries have very thoroughly and desperately scanned it for evidence as to who did it.
That scene is the largest possible scene - there literally exists nothing else - and the number of investigators looking for clues is vast. Yet despite these odds, nobody has ever found any kind of undeniable evidence that God did it all.
I don’t need to read a book to understand that you can’t believe in a claim that contradicts that reality.
Vast? Not disagreeing by any means but you’re kidding yourself if you think humanity has “thoroughly and desperately scanned” even a fraction of a fraction of only THE MILKY WAY. We haven’t even set foot on another planet in OUR OWN SOLAR SYSTEM. Even if we were to assume all the species on earth were looking
We are SO helplessly ignorant when it comes to the rest of the universe. We’re still grasping at straws and don’t know how half the stuff works or even where any of it is really located.
Will we ever find God? I don’t know, but we’re sure as shit nowhere near understanding anything enough to say a god DIDN’T do it.
But it’s like dropping a plate from the top of the empire state building. You’re a block away and a little chip hits you. You don’t know where it came from or why. You don’t know the larger whole it used to make up. You and your family could spend generations examining that one little chip and learn EVERYTHING about it while still knowing nothing about it’s origin or original shape.
Either way, we’ve got a lot to learn, which excites me
But we also have zero solid evidence that a God did do it. Making and believing such an enormous claim without evidence is absolutely bananas
I agree, just like it’d be insane to claim we know anything else about our creation without evidence
Do you think the astronomers/cosmologists/astrophysicists piecing together the origins of the universe are doing so without evidence?
No, I just think we’re missing a lot. The evidence we can gather is from a very teeny tiny section of the “universe-spanning crime scene.” It reminds me of The Expanse, they find something they don’t understand and they compare it to monkeys playing with a microwave:
“Push a button, a light comes on inside, so it’s a light. Push a different button and stick your hand inside, it burns you, so it’s a weapon. Learn to open and close the door, it’s a place to hide things. Never grasping what it actually did, and maybe not even having the framework necessary to figure it out. No monkey ever reheated a frozen burrito.”
Like yeah, astronomers/cosmologists/astrophysicists are smart compared to the average human, but the average human is smart compared to a chimp. Are we even capable of putting the pieces together that we’re getting?
Yes, absolutely, and more progress is made as more new evidence is found. The thing is, until that happens, scientists are perfectly comfortable with the gaps, and saying “I don’t know”, instead of filling those gaps with an evil sky wizard.
By that logic, we can also not be sure that it wasn’t Ralph the Wonderllama who lives on Proxima Centauri and sings songs by Simply Red all day.
Also, you completely missed my point - which was that billions of people have been trying to come up with evidence for many centuries, and of course, they can only look at a tiny fraction of the universe, but that doesn’t matter. If you haven’t found even a trace of shit, you can’t possibly make a claim saying otherwise.
Well, you can, but in that case it’s such huge and extraordinary claim that frankly, noone in their right mind should even consider giving it a second thought.
Most humans are still confident we are alone in the universe, because it “would be too long to travel”. How arrogant is that? I think extreamly arrogant.
Completely agree. We’re so confident sometimes about things we know literally nothing about