There’s absolutely no way it’ll be able to live up to the hype. Fallout 4 was a disappointment compared to the rest of the series, Starfield was a disappointment, I just no longer have confidence Bethesda can produce good games.
I haven’t played Starfield due to its reception, but Fallout 4 for me was excellent taken for what it was. Granted, the modding community (as usual for Bethesda) elevated it from a good to great game. I was surprised the number of hours I’ve put into it actually surpassed New Vegas. Though overall imo New Vegas > 4 > 3.
I’m pretty sure I was the only person in the world who enjoyed Starfield, though the criticisms are definitely valid. It’s not a good RPG but it does make for a fun initial playthrough if you just do the main and major side quests. I would cautiously recommend it on sale due to the reception but I happened to find it fun. I sunk about 60 hours into it on my first playthrough but didn’t pick it up after. Still, 60 hours of having fun is worth the cost for me personally. I’d only recommend it on sale though, but that also goes for nearly every game so take that with a grain of salt.
I also happened to really enjoy Fallout 4, but again not as an RPG. It’s not a great RPG but it is a really fun open world FPS game with mild RPG elements and a sadly lacklustre post-game, just like Starfield. Procedurally generated areas definitely harmed Starfield where it didn’t harm Fallout 4, but otherwise, to me personally, I’d say they’re comparable in terms of quality. Hot take, I know. I’m prepared to have this be the most downvoted comment in lemmy history, but that’s just my opinion. Take it with the grainiest of salts.
I don’t think that’s all that hot of a take. The big killer in Starfield is just how much not playing there is between the playing.
In Fallout, just walking to a new place you’ll stumble on a few ruins, a couple fights, maybe even some faction action. You’ll get some loot, spend some time and resources, maybe discover a good story or unique item. And in Fallout 4, all the useless loot can be broken down for upgrades to your equipment and home base, so most of it is nice.
Is Starfield, there’s nothing. Maybe a generic fight with pirates you could easily run from. Even if you happen to find good loot, it’s not really that good.
Yeah, that’s fair. I get what you mean. I guess I agree with that too because I have more time in Fallout 4 than Starfield by a fair bit. I would still consider them to be comparable though in terms of quality, with Fallout 4 just a bit above Starfield. I like both games though, but don’t love either. I really enjoyed the ship building in Starfield too, it was one of my favourite aspects of the game. Settlement building in Fallout 4 was pretty fun but not nearly as fun to me.
The ship building is really cool! Getting there is tedious and annoying, but being able to walk around your ship is fun. It’s like Space Engineers with 99% less avoidable mistakes!
I wonder how good Starfield might have been if they dumped most of the planetside stuff and just had ships and space stations, all using this modular build system.
I hope someone takes Starfield’s ship building, adds something new and interesting, and releases it as a main feature of a new game. Every now and then I’m tempted to hop back into Starfield just to mess around with that mechanic. Or maybe if Bethesda makes a sequel, but tames it down and listens to fans to make it a really solid game, and brings back the ship building. I’d definitely give it a shot.
I mean to each their own, I was not impressed by the lack of meaningful roleplaying decisions and the lack of other faction questlines. I felt like the game had very little to offer outside of the main storyline, it really felt like settlement building took too much of the scope despite being rather lackluster. I also think “good with mods” is the same as “fun with friends” in that it applies to literally any game.
In case you were wondering, Starfield was much of the same. Lots of “Yes, Sarcastic Yes, No” dialogues, lots of focus on the main story, with the big twist being that they added lots of New Game+ easter eggs to encourage replaying with the same character.
I think there’s something to be said about a game that is both able to be and worth modding to such a degree. Bethesda has a bit of an unfair advantage due to decades of community knowledge building on the creation engine, however. I don’t disagree with any of your criticisms though.
There’s absolutely no way it’ll be able to live up to the hype. Fallout 4 was a disappointment compared to the rest of the series, Starfield was a disappointment, I just no longer have confidence Bethesda can produce good games.
There’s no way a game that people have been waiting over a decade for is ever going to live up to the hype.
Silksong was 8 years, and had some of the craziest hype ever, and it’s been solid.
I haven’t played Starfield due to its reception, but Fallout 4 for me was excellent taken for what it was. Granted, the modding community (as usual for Bethesda) elevated it from a good to great game. I was surprised the number of hours I’ve put into it actually surpassed New Vegas. Though overall imo New Vegas > 4 > 3.
I’m pretty sure I was the only person in the world who enjoyed Starfield, though the criticisms are definitely valid. It’s not a good RPG but it does make for a fun initial playthrough if you just do the main and major side quests. I would cautiously recommend it on sale due to the reception but I happened to find it fun. I sunk about 60 hours into it on my first playthrough but didn’t pick it up after. Still, 60 hours of having fun is worth the cost for me personally. I’d only recommend it on sale though, but that also goes for nearly every game so take that with a grain of salt.
I also happened to really enjoy Fallout 4, but again not as an RPG. It’s not a great RPG but it is a really fun open world FPS game with mild RPG elements and a sadly lacklustre post-game, just like Starfield. Procedurally generated areas definitely harmed Starfield where it didn’t harm Fallout 4, but otherwise, to me personally, I’d say they’re comparable in terms of quality. Hot take, I know. I’m prepared to have this be the most downvoted comment in lemmy history, but that’s just my opinion. Take it with the grainiest of salts.
I don’t think that’s all that hot of a take. The big killer in Starfield is just how much not playing there is between the playing.
In Fallout, just walking to a new place you’ll stumble on a few ruins, a couple fights, maybe even some faction action. You’ll get some loot, spend some time and resources, maybe discover a good story or unique item. And in Fallout 4, all the useless loot can be broken down for upgrades to your equipment and home base, so most of it is nice.
Is Starfield, there’s nothing. Maybe a generic fight with pirates you could easily run from. Even if you happen to find good loot, it’s not really that good.
I’m glad you found fun in there though!
Yeah, that’s fair. I get what you mean. I guess I agree with that too because I have more time in Fallout 4 than Starfield by a fair bit. I would still consider them to be comparable though in terms of quality, with Fallout 4 just a bit above Starfield. I like both games though, but don’t love either. I really enjoyed the ship building in Starfield too, it was one of my favourite aspects of the game. Settlement building in Fallout 4 was pretty fun but not nearly as fun to me.
The ship building is really cool! Getting there is tedious and annoying, but being able to walk around your ship is fun. It’s like Space Engineers with 99% less avoidable mistakes!
I wonder how good Starfield might have been if they dumped most of the planetside stuff and just had ships and space stations, all using this modular build system.
I hope someone takes Starfield’s ship building, adds something new and interesting, and releases it as a main feature of a new game. Every now and then I’m tempted to hop back into Starfield just to mess around with that mechanic. Or maybe if Bethesda makes a sequel, but tames it down and listens to fans to make it a really solid game, and brings back the ship building. I’d definitely give it a shot.
No Man’s Sky seems to have done this with their corvette update, although I’ve yet to try it.
I mean to each their own, I was not impressed by the lack of meaningful roleplaying decisions and the lack of other faction questlines. I felt like the game had very little to offer outside of the main storyline, it really felt like settlement building took too much of the scope despite being rather lackluster. I also think “good with mods” is the same as “fun with friends” in that it applies to literally any game.
In case you were wondering, Starfield was much of the same. Lots of “Yes, Sarcastic Yes, No” dialogues, lots of focus on the main story, with the big twist being that they added lots of New Game+ easter eggs to encourage replaying with the same character.
I think there’s something to be said about a game that is both able to be and worth modding to such a degree. Bethesda has a bit of an unfair advantage due to decades of community knowledge building on the creation engine, however. I don’t disagree with any of your criticisms though.