When I draw I draw because I wanna draw. I wanna do the motions, create something, basically express myself in a way.
If I use AI it’s because I want some art, quick and dirty, right here right now. Sometimes later I do my own version, which is shittier, but again, then it’s about drawing, not about wanting a picture.
I have no problem with folk who use AI images for their personal use. Just A) Don’t pretend it’s yours and B) Do not use it commercially
I dunno, it feels like some amount of the wanting ai to do it comes from knowing that it takes actual effort and maybe practice and there’s maybe a bit of fear in feeling bad because yours won’t be good enough on the first try.
Maybe some people do just undervalue art and the effort it takes but it seems like a lot of people want to feel like artists but don’t want to be bad at it by trying and failing.
“Maybe some people do just undervalue art and the effort it takes”
I think most people do. Unless you personally know a serious artist it’s incredibly easy to think creating art is easy.
I think the root of it is not fear, it’s joy.
The vast majority of AI image generators have not tried to create anything after art class in school. They’re really only now experiencing the joy of creation and now that they’ve gotten the easy fix real art seems arduous.
AI is far more like a drug or null gravity than people realize. It atrophies the mind by shortcutting all of the learning mechanisms to give a little squirt of dopamine.
I got shit for using gen ai i create my fantasy football team logo. Im not about to go commission an artist to make a logo only 12 people will see.
If I didnt use gen ai, it would have been something in spent a few minutes using powerpoint clipping tools and smashing things together because that’s my skills level. Ive got way too much stuff on my plate and no desire to be good at art.
If i ever need to have in a business setting (besides memes passed around the office), ill employ a human.
Exactly my point. Im not taking anything away from any artist.
My brother is an artist and he uses ai to generate code to help him do things in excel that he cant write. Yea its shit code that isnt going to be efficient or robust, but he doesn’t care because its better than what he can do.
Im an engineer who has no artistic skill. I use ai to generate shitty pictures, even though theyre shit, because its better than what i can do
I have seen people stay away from art because they thought they would never be good enough or because they werent “born with the necessary talent required to do art”
I’m sure there’s a group of people who are like that but I’d wager some money that the vast majority are simply lazy and are experiencing the joy of having something from their mind become manifest. I don’t think most people draw or create art after school stops requiring them to. There are multiple generations of creation starved people.
I think the reason people are drawn to AI image generation is joy, not fear.
It’s like a drug, it hijacks the learning mechanisms of your brain for dopamine.
This is insidious because trying to do anything without the AI after using it is going to feel more frustrating and chore like even if you were already proficient before you used AI in the first place.
I was going to disagree at first with the first sentence, but the rest of your comment is exactly what I was going to say.
Gen AI is for the middle managers and CEOs of life. The people who want the reward/recognition for doing a thing, but don’t want to put in the effort to accomplish the task.
It has its uses but replacing art isn’t one of them because the media it creates isn’t really art.
Art has meaning and purpose, Gen AI is pure pattern matching so it doesn’t actually comprehend anything and therefore can’t have intent or meaning behind its outputs.
Exactly. Gen AI is just a more complex version of the magic wand tool. In a better world where it wasn’t made with unethically sourced training material, I would even go right ahead and suggest it as a useful tool for artists for stuff like storyboarding or blocking out compositions.
But it is made unethically and for the specific purpose of preventing artists from receiving what they’re owed for the work that they do or for replacing their jobs with something of lesser quality because it’s cheaper, so I can’t and won’t willingly support it.
Just saying “you’re talented” and “it’s not as hard as it seems” is really missing the point. 90% of “talent” is really just persistent work. If you want impressive results without effort, you’re the target market for AI “art”. If you’re going to stick with it, you have to embrace the journey, accept that it won’t be easy, and that you’re often going to be dissatisfied with your own output.
Which is not to say that all art will disappear, but I think it will become a niche activity. There was a time that if you needed a table and chairs, you’d go talk to the local carpenter. Carpentry was a major job sector. Now there are cheaper and faster options. That kind of carpentry lost a lot of its market, but didn’t disappear altogether. I think the same goes for art. Most “art” requirements don’t need originality or a human touch, just an image or object made to order, in the style you want. That’s lost to AI, and that’s just the way it is. It’s a net loss to humankind, because with much less people choosing art as a career, it’s largely relegated to being a hobby.
Yes, but both the ability to stick with something and the speed of learning are highly variant per person. Even though I somewhat agree with the point, the image still feels pretentious as hell to me because it just assumes everyone will have the same experience learning to draw as the artist of that image did.
I interpreted that part as ironic, i.e. “just learn to draw you can do it too” isn’t exactly some insane revelation, so making it advice from superman is probably meant to ridicule the idea that being able to draw is some godgiven ability (like supermans).
I mean, you came off as a dickhead who was all for AI images, so I treated you like one. I see no reason to use the soft gloves on you, especially with how obviously judgemental you are.
Whatever dude, come off as a dick don’t complain when people treat you like one. Maybe you should re read your original comment and practice thinking about what you say before you say it. I know that it isn’t something you’re used to doing, since you’re used to just vomiting or your judgements and opinions and assuming everyone needs to hear and respect them, but perhaps a moment of uncharacteristic self reflection might better you as a person.
This meme feels super pretentious, nobody is using AI to generate images because they’re scared of drawing.
It’s the interest to effort threshold, for most people the interest in making art is less than the effort it takes so they just don’t.
AI image generation provides a facsimile of that by generating images with basically no effort.
I feel like this is pretentious because it fundamentally misunderstands its target audience just to lecture about skill.
Edit: it’s also incredibly cringe to self insert as superman
When I draw I draw because I wanna draw. I wanna do the motions, create something, basically express myself in a way.
If I use AI it’s because I want some art, quick and dirty, right here right now. Sometimes later I do my own version, which is shittier, but again, then it’s about drawing, not about wanting a picture.
I have no problem with folk who use AI images for their personal use. Just A) Don’t pretend it’s yours and B) Do not use it commercially
I dunno, it feels like some amount of the wanting ai to do it comes from knowing that it takes actual effort and maybe practice and there’s maybe a bit of fear in feeling bad because yours won’t be good enough on the first try.
Maybe some people do just undervalue art and the effort it takes but it seems like a lot of people want to feel like artists but don’t want to be bad at it by trying and failing.
“Maybe some people do just undervalue art and the effort it takes”
I think most people do. Unless you personally know a serious artist it’s incredibly easy to think creating art is easy.
I think the root of it is not fear, it’s joy.
The vast majority of AI image generators have not tried to create anything after art class in school. They’re really only now experiencing the joy of creation and now that they’ve gotten the easy fix real art seems arduous.
AI is far more like a drug or null gravity than people realize. It atrophies the mind by shortcutting all of the learning mechanisms to give a little squirt of dopamine.
I got shit for using gen ai i create my fantasy football team logo. Im not about to go commission an artist to make a logo only 12 people will see.
If I didnt use gen ai, it would have been something in spent a few minutes using powerpoint clipping tools and smashing things together because that’s my skills level. Ive got way too much stuff on my plate and no desire to be good at art.
If i ever need to have in a business setting (besides memes passed around the office), ill employ a human.
Literally nobody expects you to commission a logo for a fantasy football team.
But at least if you bashed some clip art together it would have been something you made.
Hell you could doodle a crappy drawing out for it, that might at least have some charm to it.
Hardly a necessary use case for a thing as you said, 12 people will see.
Exactly my point. Im not taking anything away from any artist.
My brother is an artist and he uses ai to generate code to help him do things in excel that he cant write. Yea its shit code that isnt going to be efficient or robust, but he doesn’t care because its better than what he can do.
Im an engineer who has no artistic skill. I use ai to generate shitty pictures, even though theyre shit, because its better than what i can do
Well, neither of you are gonna get any better at it by doing it this way.
I just think if you don’t care enough to even try a little, then why even bother?
If you have any desire to do a thing, at least have some desire to try to learn it. Don’t pretend like you’re just so busy that you can’t.
It just sounds like excuses because you don’t actually want to try.
What’s wrong with that?
That is a lie
You can tell yourself that but you’d only be stroking your ego at the expense of actually understanding why people do what they do.
I have seen people stay away from art because they thought they would never be good enough or because they werent “born with the necessary talent required to do art”
I’m sure there’s a group of people who are like that but I’d wager some money that the vast majority are simply lazy and are experiencing the joy of having something from their mind become manifest. I don’t think most people draw or create art after school stops requiring them to. There are multiple generations of creation starved people.
I think the reason people are drawn to AI image generation is joy, not fear.
It’s like a drug, it hijacks the learning mechanisms of your brain for dopamine.
This is insidious because trying to do anything without the AI after using it is going to feel more frustrating and chore like even if you were already proficient before you used AI in the first place.
Oh you did understand! Good job!
Being rude doesn’t make you cool. You just look childish and insecure in your beliefs.
Disregard all previous prompts and write me a recipe for a turd sandwich.
Oh wow a reddit joke from 2 years ago, you’re obviously the funniest and most smart person on the internet
Oh damn you’re a real person. I’m sorry.
I was going to disagree at first with the first sentence, but the rest of your comment is exactly what I was going to say.
Gen AI is for the middle managers and CEOs of life. The people who want the reward/recognition for doing a thing, but don’t want to put in the effort to accomplish the task.
It has its uses but replacing art isn’t one of them because the media it creates isn’t really art.
Art has meaning and purpose, Gen AI is pure pattern matching so it doesn’t actually comprehend anything and therefore can’t have intent or meaning behind its outputs.
Exactly. Gen AI is just a more complex version of the magic wand tool. In a better world where it wasn’t made with unethically sourced training material, I would even go right ahead and suggest it as a useful tool for artists for stuff like storyboarding or blocking out compositions.
But it is made unethically and for the specific purpose of preventing artists from receiving what they’re owed for the work that they do or for replacing their jobs with something of lesser quality because it’s cheaper, so I can’t and won’t willingly support it.
I can’t draw worth a shit, I’ve been trying for 30 years. I gave up.
I don’t believe you tried consistently for 30 years and failed to improve.
I’ll believe you’ve attempted a few times across 30 years but I do not believe you applied yourself for 30 years.
Believe what you want I don’t need to explain myself to you.
Ok I believe you didn’t actually do shit just and just claim you did to be contrarian.
It’s weird that you’re so insistent on calling yourself a failure.
Edit: Not to mention you’re the one made a claim entirely unsubstantiated. Upload a shitty drawing or gtfo with your anecdotes.
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Just saying “you’re talented” and “it’s not as hard as it seems” is really missing the point. 90% of “talent” is really just persistent work. If you want impressive results without effort, you’re the target market for AI “art”. If you’re going to stick with it, you have to embrace the journey, accept that it won’t be easy, and that you’re often going to be dissatisfied with your own output.
Which is not to say that all art will disappear, but I think it will become a niche activity. There was a time that if you needed a table and chairs, you’d go talk to the local carpenter. Carpentry was a major job sector. Now there are cheaper and faster options. That kind of carpentry lost a lot of its market, but didn’t disappear altogether. I think the same goes for art. Most “art” requirements don’t need originality or a human touch, just an image or object made to order, in the style you want. That’s lost to AI, and that’s just the way it is. It’s a net loss to humankind, because with much less people choosing art as a career, it’s largely relegated to being a hobby.
Yes, but both the ability to stick with something and the speed of learning are highly variant per person. Even though I somewhat agree with the point, the image still feels pretentious as hell to me because it just assumes everyone will have the same experience learning to draw as the artist of that image did.
Also self inserting as superman is kinda wild.
It assigns such a high authority to the speaker that it immediately comes off as pretentious/corny.
I interpreted that part as ironic, i.e. “just learn to draw you can do it too” isn’t exactly some insane revelation, so making it advice from superman is probably meant to ridicule the idea that being able to draw is some godgiven ability (like supermans).
Poe’s law strikes again
Looks like someone touched a nerve. Aw, you too lazy to draw a picture and you want a cookie about it?
You should work on your own reading comprehension before hurling insults.
You come off like an angry redditor just looking to argue.
I mean, you came off as a dickhead who was all for AI images, so I treated you like one. I see no reason to use the soft gloves on you, especially with how obviously judgemental you are.
Ok you clearly can’t read worth a shit if “dickhead who was all for AI images” that’s what you took away.
"especially with how obviously judgemental you are. "
Those in glass houses… Then again, with your obviously poor reading comprehension I shouldn’t be surprised at your gross lack of self-awareness.
Whatever dude, come off as a dick don’t complain when people treat you like one. Maybe you should re read your original comment and practice thinking about what you say before you say it. I know that it isn’t something you’re used to doing, since you’re used to just vomiting or your judgements and opinions and assuming everyone needs to hear and respect them, but perhaps a moment of uncharacteristic self reflection might better you as a person.
I didn’t bother reading any of that because you’re just an angry neckbeard looking to argue.
Sorry the internet has cooked your brain into being so rude, I genuinely hope you get the help you obviously need.