The iPhone versus Android battle has just taken a sudden twist as hackers attack smartphones.
  • prettybunnys@piefed.socialEnglish
    58·
    2 days ago

    What evidence are you referring to?

    As far as I can tell my anecdote about my professional experience is the only context here besides the post.

    Your ps is irrelevant, I’m a security researcher and spent the last decade in this field, specifically mobile security. I’ll take my professional experience over the it’s cool to be a tech tribalist opinion.

    Disagree if you’d like, the device you use doesn’t matter to me at all.

    Edit popped the thread in a browser and saw the other comment. They were refuted there too. Fucking hell dude why are you beating this drum?

    • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      83·
      2 days ago

      You can pretend they didn’t post a link showing that an Israeli software company can unlock any iPhone. Pretend is all you can do though. Kind of telling that I explicitly said fuck Google but you still insist I’m tRiBaLiSt.

      And you claiming to be an expert couldn’t possibly mean less. I have no way of confirming that and honestly even if I did it wouldn’t mean you know everything.

      Enjoy your unsecure, unusable phone in a literal fascist ecosystem.

      • favoredponcho@lemmy.zipEnglish
        14·
        1 day ago

        The link is 6 years old and includes dated information about Cellebrite. You should at the very least post updated information about the latest mobile OS versions vulnerable to Cellebrite. Spoiler: Android is very vulnerable and I haven’t seen information that the latest iOS is.

      • prettybunnys@piefed.socialEnglish
        57·
        2 days ago

        I legitimately don’t see the link you’re referring to, I’m not pretending about anything.

        Maybe it’s not federating on my end, could you link it?

        Cellebrite struggles with iPhones, and some newer Android devices. Is it another company?

        You’re getting awfully vitriolic about this discussion, I’m not sure if you’re unfamiliar with the concept of tech tribalism but this is it basically to a T.

        Again, use whatever device you want. My experience informs my anecdote which has you so upset.

          • prettybunnys@piefed.socialEnglish
            64·
            2 days ago

            ^ check the date, Jesus.

            Company makes claims they are unable to back up in real world scenarios, I have a professional relationship with cellebrite and access to their latest forensics kit they export.

            It doesn’t open iPhones.

            Occasionally THEY open iPhones, but we’ve had to send them to cellebrite and we are convinced they’ve found a novel way to break the lockout rather than the actual lock. It’s believed to be a brute force. And I’ve never had it work.

            But yes. They claim that, but haven’t backed it up practically.

            Christ that article is from 2019. That information is so old. They were opening old iPhones with a public exploit that Apple patched in 2019.

            AND that claim was only about the iPhone X and older devices which they had a boot loader exploit for.

            More recently leaked Cellebrite slide decks claim the exact opposite.

            • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
              45·
              2 days ago

              Ok. Maybe you’re right about all of that. I would have no way of knowing. Just like I still have no way of knowing that you’re right about android security. From many things I’ve read over the years, I’d lean toward iOS being less secure. But even if I never read any of that, it logically just wouldn’t add up that one platform would be much more secure than the other. I do know that they’ve been marketing themselves as all about privacy and security and that’s easily seen to be a pack of lies from light-years away. So given that I’m back to assuming they probably are less secure if anything.

              • prettybunnys@piefed.socialEnglish
                56·
                2 days ago

                Go read what graphene OS has to say about iOS then.

                Or. Don’t make such assertive claims that you can’t actually back up or refute, as you’ve just admitted. 🤷

                One thing you never hear about is a ring of criminals brought down because they were using iPhones, or a terrorist cell tracked with their iPhones. Part of it is socioeconomic BUT that also informs where threat actors operate.

                • TrickDacy@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  46·
                  2 days ago

                  Yes, you know the Dunning Kruger effect which states that if someone admits to not knowing everything, that shows weakness. Whereas someone claiming to know it all? Well they’re clearly omnipotent.

                  Iphones are trash. Zero reason to believe they’re more secure, and I doubt you’ll convince anyone otherwise. The commenter you claim not to see made a good point. Israel banned Android phones because they want to reliably spy on the IDF to prevent leaks. Not to help the IDF keep their data secure lol

                  • scytale@piefed.zipEnglish
                    51·
                    2 days ago

                    But the article is specifically saying they are forcing iphones because they are more locked down and less susceptible to compromise. And yes, we don’t know if they’re lying. However, the commenter just linked an unrelated article about celebrite’s claim about cracking an iphone. That doesn’t mean they are connected, and that doesn’t mean Android isn’t less compromisible. Breaking into an iphone also isn’t equivalent to spying. Besides, if they actually want to actively monitor those phones, they would have people use officially-issued phones with MDM on them, and that negates any kind of security ios or android promises.

                    I’ve taken some device forensics classes albeit not as deep into smartphones like the person you’re arguing with, but I do think they have some merit with their argument.

                  • prettybunnys@piefed.socialEnglish
                    63·
                    2 days ago

                    My dude I’m not interested in attempting to have an informed conversation with someone who isn’t informed.

                    The sunning Kruger effect isn’t when someone who knows what they’re talking about has to refute baseless claims.

                    Take care, enjoy your vitriol and contempt. You’ve earned it

                  • prettybunnys@piefed.socialEnglish
                    33·
                    2 days ago

                    My dude this for official use, they ought to already have MDM on official devices. Thats like saying they want them using a specific phone so they can read the email they administer separately.

                    I think you’re woefully misunderstanding

          • favoredponcho@lemmy.zipEnglish
            12·
            13 hours ago

            Cellebrite is unable to crack the latest versions of iOS. It can break Android, unless the user has GrapheneOS.

            https://osservatorionessuno.org/blog/2025/03/a-deep-dive-into-cellebrite-android-support-as-of-february-2025/#the-february-2025-support-matrix

            https://www.androidheadlines.com/2025/10/cellebrite-leak-raises-alarms-are-pixel-phones-really-hackable.html

            Edit: downvotes without any attempt to engage with the discussion don’t make you right. The truth is not determined by vote.