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Air travelers in the U.S. without a REAL ID will be charged a $45 fee beginning in February, the Transportation Security Administration announced Monday.
The updated ID has been required since May, but passengers without it have so far been allowed to clear security with additional screening and a warning. The Department of Homeland Security says 94% of passengers are already compliant and that the new fee is intended to encourage travelers to obtain the ID.
REAL ID is a federally compliant state-issued license or identification card that meets enhanced requirements mandated in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.
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“Encourage”
Force via financial penalty.
Edit: forgot to mention, if you have a valid US passport you don’t need to spend the $ on a new Real ID if you use the passport as your ID.
Land of the Free™
Land of the Fee, Home of the Slave
Your regular reminder:
Passports, passport cards, Green Cards (i.e. PR cards), NEXUS and SENTRI cards, Military ID cards, work authorization cards, TWIC and VHIC cards, HSPD PIVs, and Tribal ID cards, are all REAL IDs.
But, I have global entry. That’s not enough now?
Global Entry card is a REAL ID
FTA: REAL ID or a passport.
Like someone else said in a different post yesterday: anything beyond checking that I don’t have weapons or some other danger to the flight is completely unnecessary. There is no reason that the TSA needs to verify identity for flights.
Just another step towards internal passports, which are a popular measure in most totalitarian states.
Vhair ah yore pehh perse
Or more like
Wayer arr yer pie pars
It has nothing to do with security, everything to do with Big Brotherhood. They love having a database of everyone’s travels.
Technically its for the surveillance system they set up without telling anybody on top of the surveillance systems already in place that you dont know about on top of the NSA
Identity is one of those “danger to the flight” things. Like the 9/11 hijackers didn’t bring any weapons on board, they just used force and exploited the compliance of the crew to take control. So if they flag you as a known terrorist, they stop you getting on the plane.
In theory. In practice I don’t think the TSA has stopped a single attempt of terrorism, but I also don’t think we’ve had any attempts since 9/11. Whether that’s due to the existence of the TSA is impossible to say.
Richard Reid did attempt. He almost succeeded too, it was sheer dumb luck that he failed.
They had box cutters didn’t they
They may have just used force to take the planes, but regulations regarding cockpit security were completely revolutionized after 9/11. That same tactic should not work today. Hell, even having a weapon doesn’t really make a hijacking more likely.
The problem was insecure cockpits, not that the authorities didn’t know the identities of the people onboard. There is no actual proven security reason for the TSA collecting this information.
There is no actual proven security reason for the TSA collecting this information.
That doesn’t sound right. If there’s a list of wanted or potentially dangerous terrorists or criminals, and I provide ID showing that I am not one of those people, isn’t that a security reason for showing ID?
Who makes that list? The same group of people labeling antifa as terrorists? If a person has no weapons and still is “too dangerous” to be on a plane, why are they not in jail?
ID isn’t making anything more secure in the context of the airport, it’s just surveillance and another way to limit/punish people extrajudicially.
If a person has no weapons and still is “too dangerous” to be on a plane, why are they not in jail?
I think that’s the point, they’ll get arrested if they try to fly. Doesn’t that make things more secure?
Sure, if the no fly list was made by putting evidence in front of a judge. It’s not though, people end up on there without being in legal trouble all the time. It can and has been used for political ends, and the lack of transparency makes it effectively useless.
It’s only useless for its stated purpose, not its actual purpose.
Okay that’s true but if we circle back to my original point, it would seem that asking to see ID makes sense from a security standpoint.
It feels like they’ve been saying the REAL ID would be required for years, and keep pushing it back. Now they’re like, “We’re so serious you guys. It’s for national security. No bad actor will pay $45.”
Fun fact: They were pushing it back because some states wouldn’t accelerate the process of making their standard state IDs compliant. They finally said no more delays.
WA state IDs are still not universally REAL ID compliant, you have to get a separate compliant state ID via an appointment. Unless as I noted above you have one of the other documents (passport, passport card, green card, military id, etc.)
Its just like the TSA precheck and now the third party companies like Clear offering to skip/use minimally invasive security screenings for a small fee.
Yeah. When someone told me, “If you agree to pay a fee, for three years they won’t give you a patdown every time you fly because you won’t have to use the scanner that thinks fat people are smugglers, and you won’t have to take your shoes off” my first thought was “fuck yes” and my second thought was “isn’t that the definition of racketeering?”
(Also my very first time using TSA Precheck I was flagged for “random screening” and TSA got one last revenge patdown in. 🙄)
I’ve also argued if it’s that’s the case, then just pay for all Americans to be “pre-screened” and get rid of 80% of the TSA. That would have to save a huge amount of money.
But TSA is most likely a mixture of a jobs program and easy way to send people kickbacks.
The ol’ Grope and Scope is the only action I get at my age.
“Brown people don’t have money HEH GOTTEM”
The law was passed in 2005 and so many states kept complaining. And frankly, those states are getting punished.
Every state that has their shit together has been Real ID compliant for at least a decade.
What makes the real ID real?
How to get a REAL ID and use it for travel, https://www.usa.gov/real-id
Article also says a passport is fine.
Because a passport is registered with the state department and is by nature more “real” than a real ID
Thank you, I was about to say…
I thought the whole point of Real ID was you couldn’t fly without it. Now they just say aw f it pay us 45 bucks? Where’s the ‘security’?
You don’t technically need any ID to fly, it just becomes more of a pain in the ass. Just like you don’t technically need to go through the body scanner, but again, it becomes more of a pain in the ass.
Beginning Feb. 1, travelers 18 and older flying domestically without a REAL ID and who don’t have another accepted form of ID on them, such as a passport, will pay the non-refundable fee to verify their identity through TSA’s alternative “Confirm.ID” system.
Current list of acceptable IDs:
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REAL ID-compliant driver’s licenses or other state photo identity cards issued by Department of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent)
- If you are not sure if your ID complies with REAL ID, check with your state department of motor vehicles.
- A temporary driver’s license is not an acceptable form of identification.
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State-issued Enhanced Driver’s License (EDL) or Enhanced ID (EID)
// “State-issued Enhanced Driver’s Licenses and identification cards (EDL/EID) are designated as acceptable border-crossing documents by DHS under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and are an acceptable alternative to a REAL ID”//
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DHS trusted traveler cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
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U.S. Department of Defense ID, including IDs issued to dependents
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Permanent resident card
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Border crossing card
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An acceptable photo ID issued by a federally recognized Tribal Nation/Indian Tribe, including Enhanced Tribal Cards (ETCs)
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HSPD-12 PIV card
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Foreign government-issued passport
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Canadian provincial driver’s license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada card
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Transportation Worker Identification Credential (TWIC)
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U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
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U.S. Merchant Mariner Credential
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Veteran Health Identification Card (VHIC)
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No passport, no real id. Good thing I don’t go anywhere.
Been there, didn’t enjoy it much, you’re not missing anything.
Canadian here, they make you get another ID? A Drivers license isn’t enough?
The issue was that every state has different requirements for what’s on a driver’s license, photo ID, adult ID… Etc. this also includes Tribal Reservations.
The real ID Concept was to at least provide some organization nation wide.
I don’t have a problem with it because my state was already Real ID compliant since a decade ago. And if you got an ID, you’re good.
In Washington, you have to pay more to get the enhanced license to get real ID. It’s dumb that it’s not on the base ID…
It’s an upgraded id/license… with more paper work attached like a passport but without the perks of one…
Also you can have both an id and a driver’s license…
A driver’s license can be used as an id…
Make sense
I don’t know anyone who has both a state id and a state drivers license. There’s no need.
I did when I was younger… also if you need two forms of id it works for that… or did… but like i said it’s an upgraded id lol
I was drinking with a security guard who checks photo IDs before entering a club. And he was sharing all the crazy IDs he would get and have to understand. He’s even gotten in trouble a few times for not letting people because he didn’t believe their ID was valid, because the ID was “valid” where they came from.
THIS. Fun fact: Arizona IDs don’t have (or didn’t use to have) expiration dates or just say something stupid like “EXPIRES 01/01/2075”. I can’t blame anyone who isn’t from Arizona for looking at an exp date 50 years in the future and believing it’s fake.
that actually reminds me of a buddy of mine that moved to Canada from Arizona. He kept using his Arizona ID for awhile and whenever we’d go to a bar (we were in our early 20s at the time) he’d always get grief because of his Arizona Drivers License. they’d be all “this expires in 2060? this has to be fake” and every time he’d have to explain to them how Arizona drivers licenses work. got to the point where he just had to switch for an Ontario one just to save him the hassle. He even said if he was in another state in the US they’d still give him a hard time over it.
The us is really stupid for many reasons. 50+ patchwork systems for stuff everyone needs, like ID, is one of them. Using a driver’s license for ID is another.
I would say, the US is like 50 countries in a trench coat.
It’s somewhere between the EU and, say, UK’s counties. Even UK’s constituent countries don’t necessarily have the amount of home rule that US states do.
Sounds stupid but honestly I’m down with it. I worked at a bank checking IDs and I’m sure more than once I wrongly suspended accounts due to fake IDs because the US can’t fucking get it together when it comes to what an ID even is.
real ID doesn’t fix that
It would if they required them
Having a standardised ID across all of the country does fix that. Unless every state is allowed to do their own, in which case, yes, it’s stupid.
Ok. Still not going to get it.
