cross-posted from: https://ibbit.at/post/127026

A leaked memo by U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi directs the Justice Department and FBI to compile a list of groups that may be labeled “domestic terrorism” organizations based on political views related to immigration, gender and U.S. policy. The memo was obtained by independent investigative journalist Ken Klippenstein, who joins us to discuss how it expands on President Donald Trump’s NSPM-7…

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  • lukaro@lemmy.zipEnglish
    12·
    2 days ago

    Hey FBI I’m over here and I’m so anti trump I think any living relatives he has should be held accountable somehow.

    • zebidiah@lemmy.ca
      6·
      2 days ago

      not every living relative lol… Hi niece Mary has very publicly been calling him out on being a piece of shit for quite a while

  • Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.caEnglish
    8·
    2 days ago

    Tell me again about how this is the “land of the free and the home of the brave”?

    Empirical evidence seems to be trending in the other direction.

    • floofloof@lemmy.caOP
      4·
      2 days ago

      It never was, but it’s much less so now. Many Americans have believed the propaganda for a long time.

  • BanMe@lemmy.world
    711·
    3 days ago

    It’s funny because in the early 00s I worked for a gay rights organization and was told pretty flat out, the FBI keeps at least a list with my name on it, if not my own file (holdover from the civil rights era when they did this to all progressive groups). And then Obama came along and we thought a new era was being ushered in. And now in 2025 I run a gay nonprofit and probably have an FBI file again. Oh well, means I’m doing something right, fuck 'em.

    • IronBird@lemmy.world
      324·
      3 days ago

      got to admit, obama played us good. campaign of Hope and Change followed by 8 years of the same tired old playbook

      • the_crotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        192·
        3 days ago

        My favorite thing about Lemmy is people are willing to make accurate criticisms about Obama and his policies instead of simping for him because he’s charasmatic and a Democrat.

        • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish
          20·
          3 days ago

          There’s a weird disconnect between the left and the right where MAGA especially is so slavishly cultish that their guys can do no wrong. Whereas on the left, we generally have the critical thinking skills to admit that our guys aren’t always doing the right thing.

          • 0x0@lemmy.zip
            3·
            3 days ago

            our guys aren’t always doing the right thing.

            The extreme of that being single-issue voters?

          • the_crotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            3 days ago

            It really depends on what you consider a leftist. People on Reddit would call themselves “the left” and act like Obama is flawless and accuse you of being a maga if you feel otherwise.

        • IronBird@lemmy.world
          131·
          3 days ago

          annoying part is you can see they’re setting up the same shit with Newscom/Pritzker

          make some big publicity stunts on tv talking a big game, doing these cute little marches, all while greenlighting ICE to harass their surrounding poor neighborhoods long as they stay out of their donor neighborhoods

          • the_crotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            1·
            2 days ago

            That depends on what one considers “the left”. Liberals call themselves leftists and a lot of them will defend him to the death.

            • bthest@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              2 days ago

              Liberals only call themselves leftists because right-wingers tell them they are.

            • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
              2·
              3 days ago

              Now that politics is a team sport, what’s the over/under on how long it takes to legalize gambling on politics? I’m sure the gambling apps are lobbying for that right now.

              That shouldn’t fuck up anything, right? Nobody could be bribed to throw a race could they?

      • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
        4·
        3 days ago

        Not me. When he took that stage in that stadium with his family after his election, to a cheering, adoring crowd, and the TV talking heads going on about Hope & Change, I knew he was going to be one more placeholder Democrat, who will last long enough for everyone to forget what shitheads Conservatives are, and allow them back in power to continue their rampage of destruction. That’s all Carter, Clinton, and Biden were, too. There hasn’t been an effective Democratic president since LBJ.

        But they’re the lesser of two evils.

    • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
      12·
      3 days ago

      I got permabanned from Reddit during the February bloodbath, after 12 years and nearly a million Karma, all while ferociously attacking Republicans, MAGA, and especially Trump, who I always referred to as HitlerPig.

      I’m sure Spez turned over ALL the files to DOGE like a good little minion, so they’ve got a nice fat file of ThoughtCrimes® on me.

      I just saw that he’s married to Serena Williams, so I now hate her, too.

    • 0x0@lemmy.zip
      14·
      3 days ago

      and probably have an FBI file again.

      I doubt you’ve ever stopped having one.

    • BonkTheAnnoyed@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      16·
      3 days ago

      Thank you. Thanks for sharing this “seen that, didn’t care then, didn’t care now” attitude. This is the way you fight and dispell the stochastic terrorism behind this “leak.”

      Dance, be freaky, don’t let the man get in your head.

  • switcheroo@lemmy.worldEnglish
    34·
    3 days ago

    Fuck off fascists. You gonna arrest 70% of this country??? Even your own “side” is turning on you. “My groceries are too high.” <-- that is anti-PEDOnald. “I don’t like child rapists.” <— that is anti-PEDOnald.

  • lunelovegood@ttrpg.network
    393·
    3 days ago

    Democrats really dropped when the ball when they voted for wet-noodle establishment candidates over progressives like Bernie Sanders.

    But hey, at least they don’t have to pay more in taxes!

  • DeICEAmerica@lemmy.world
    33·
    3 days ago

    This pathetic POS needs to face the harshest punishment allowed for what he has not only done to little kids but to the entire world.

    • ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online
      12·
      3 days ago

      Donald Trump is such a disgusting criminal individual it isn’t funny. Everything he accuses his enemies of he is guilty of himself, including the recent accusations of mortgage fraud.

      In his mind rules and laws aren’t for allowing society to function, but as tools to get his enemies in trouble, and at the same none should apply to him.

  • tover153@lemmy.world
    122·
    4 days ago

    This is harder to type than it probably should be. Back in 2015, because of the way I was raised in an extreme conservative evangelical household as a preacher’s kid, I was a Republican. I had already broken with that world in every meaningful way, but I had not actually sat down and examined what I believed. So there I was, still actively involved in politics. I helped campaign for Romney. I made more than three thousand phone calls, which I am pretty sure qualifies as a minor war crime. I was on the election staff of a representative who, for the record, had not been elected yet when I worked for her. I was a special elector. I was on the county central committee. I worked every election since 2011 with an R behind my name.

    And then they picked the orange man. I wrote the Chairwoman a very long letter explaining, in polite terms, that this was not going to work for me. I switched my affiliation to Independent. Unfortunately, I still had not figured out where the world was heading, so I voted for Gary Johnson. The less said about that period of my life, the better.

    When the Senate Election Committee decided to finance Roy Moore, I walked directly to the courthouse, changed my registration to Democrat, and started working elections for that party instead. There is a point where a person realizes the boat is not just sinking, it was built upside down to begin with.

    Anyway, based on the tone of that old letter, I find myself hoping I ended up on a list somewhere for Pam Bondi. It would be nice to feel important for a moment. Besides, what a spectacular waste of resources it would be to track down one Army veteran who lives in an RV in the middle of nowhere.

    • Gust@piefed.socialEnglish
      1·
      11 hours ago

      Good on you. It takes courage to admit to something like that and to move in a direction you believe is right despite your upbringing. I’m in a situation with some similarities to yours, and while im still coming to terms with things and not ready to talk about it yet I want you to know that you posting your story and owning your mistakes is inspiring

    • lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      15·
      3 days ago

      Out of the current “R” brand spread, Romney at least had some character. I wouldn’t beat yourself up too bad about things you did many many years ago, reflection is hard, growing up is hard - you are a champion for being man enough and introspective enough to grow as a person. Also I enjoyed reading this, thank you for sharing.

    • velindora@lemmy.cafeEnglish
      841·
      4 days ago

      I grew up in a strict evangelical Republican household and stayed in GOP politics for years without really questioning my beliefs. I campaigned, worked elections, and was deeply involved—until the party chose Trump. I left, became an Independent, briefly voted for Gary Johnson, then switched to Democrat when the GOP backed Roy Moore. At some point you realize the ship wasn’t just sinking—it was built wrong. Honestly, I kind of hope I made some list in Pam Bondi’s files; it’d be the first time an Army vet living in an RV felt important.

      There, easy to type.

      • tover153@lemmy.world
        31·
        3 days ago

        Thanks for the summary. Your version is definitely easier to type, but I still prefer the line I wrote earlier: “There is a point where a person realizes the boat is not just sinking, it was built upside down to begin with.”

        Still, I appreciate the reply.

        • tover153@lemmy.world
          43·
          3 days ago

          If the best you can do is accuse me of using ChatGPT instead of responding to a single thing I actually said, that’s not a debate. That’s avoiding one. I write my own stuff. Always have. Sometimes I even manage to get a line right.

          But if calling it “slop” makes it easier for you to skip the point, go ahead. I grew up in Iowa. I’ve seen actual slop. What I wrote doesn’t qualify.

  • AA5B@lemmy.world
    2·
    2 days ago

    Damn, I can do all of those things. I wonder how big the bounty is and what you need to do to qualify. I can use a vacation in a tropical hellhole paradise and a little something to retire on …… it’s probably more likely to pay off than social security

        • AmbitiousProcess (they/them)@piefed.socialEnglish
          2·
          3 days ago

          Almost certainly yes, at least based on historical precedent, though Trump loves ignoring that.

          For example, Watts v. United States, where someone said:

          “They always holler at us to get an education. And now I have already received my draft classification as 1-A and I have got to report for my physical this Monday coming. I am not going. If they ever make me carry a rifle the first man I want to get in my sights is L. B. J.”

          He was originally convicted, but that was then reversed, as the Supreme Court stated:

          “We agree with petitioner that his only offense here was ‘a kind of very crude offensive method of stating a political opposition to the president.’ Taken in context, and regarding the expressly conditional nature of the statement and the reaction of the listeners, we do not see how it could be interpreted otherwise.”

          At the end of the day, the law only really states that you have to:

          1. Make a threat
          2. …That threatens you taking the life of, kidnapping, or inflicting bodily harm upon the president

          So let’s say I say “I am going to kill the President” not as an example, but as an actual statement. That could be interpreted as an actual threat. However, If I am a 13 year old kid with just $20 to my name, no access to a gun, and no means of transport to even get near the president, it would be hard for the government to argue that’s not just a joke, or political hyperbole, as it was in the case of Watts v. United States.

          Given that all of those would be a threat for you to do something, and not just you wishing he was dead by any other means, it’s quite likely that any court would determine you saying something like “I hope Donald Trump dies a horrible, agonizing, painful death,” or even something like “I hope someone else shoots the president” would probably be considered AOK, and again, just political hyperbole, or statements without any material threat behind them.