Hamas has called on Palestinians to stay in their homes after Israel issued sweeping evacuation orders for almost half of Gaza’s more than 2.3 million people ahead of an expected ground offensive.

The Hamas authority for refugee affairs today told residents in the north of the territory to “remain steadfast in your homes and to stand firm in the face of this disgusting psychological war waged by the occupation”.

  • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    There’s nowhere for them to go…

    Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world, and Israel just told them to fit in half as much space at a time when they have no fuel, water, or electricity.

    It’s fucking impossible. And if they actually move, the Palestinians are smart enough to know they will never be able to access that land again.

    Hell, Hamas is the only ones with the resources to move

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      The point is, Hamas is deliberately trying to rise the death toll of Palestinians by telling them to stay put.

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        You think Israel will just stop and leave the Southern half?

        Even if they did, they’re keeping the northern part and annexing it.

        But more likely they’ll be invading the southern half immediately after taking the north.

        They can’t even leave Gaza, because Israel is attacking the exit to Egypt.

        Stop acting like them moving is in any way a valid option. They are literally fucked no matter what they do. And it’s been like this for a long long time.

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          You think Israel will just stop and leave the Southern half?

          Even if they did, they’re keeping the northern part and annexing it.

          I’m opposed to what Israel is doing but the truth is that Israel has repeatedly given back land they have captured during conflicts. So yes, they will not be annexing any land. As well, there is way too much international attention on them right now, whereas their approach of taking tiny bites has been subtle enough to avoid causing repercussions, so they most likely just go back to doing that at a later date.

          The thing I don’t understand about this invasion is what’s stopping Hamas from just relocating south with the rest of the Palestinians? Sure they’ll lose some heavier equipment that might be hard to move but they don’t have that much of it to begin with. If they stay and fight they’ll lose the equipment anyways, and only end up getting killed. Whereas if they leave with the civilians, then Israel will look stupid after invading Gaza only to find nothing. Huge failure for them.

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            Literally your first sentence is a lie whilst saying ‘the truth is’

            Where do you get your world news?

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              Apparently I get my world news from the history books, here’s a few examples you can look up:

              • 1967 Israel takes control of the entire Sinai Peninsula

              • 1971 Israel returns Sinai Peninsula to Egypt

              • 1982 Israel invades Lebanon after attacks from militants

              • 1983 - 1985 Israel slowly withdraws from most of southern Lebanon

              • 2000 Israeli completes withdrawal from Lebanon

              • 2005 Israel withdraws all military and civilians from the Gaza Strip and hands over control to the Palestinian Authority

              • 2007 Hamas violently overthrew the PA in Gaza (bet you didn’t cry about this)

              • 2023 Israel withdraws from Jenin in the West Bank after invading

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                1967 Israel takes control of the entire Sinai Peninsula

                Yeah… after fighting 3 countries and winning so hard they actually gained ground.

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                  After creating a country by a series of escalating bombings of civilian targets, executions of political enemies, executions of religious enemies and you know, stabbings like the current Israelis screech about constantly and use as an excuse to level buildings.

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                1982 Israel invades Lebanon after attacks from militants

                1983 - 1985 Israel slowly withdraws from most of southern Lebanon

                Yeah in this case they didn’t invade Lebanon for the land in the first place, they were just trying to genocide the Palestinians.

                The settler thing is different because the intent is to steal the land

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            And they never built illegal settlements or evicted Palestinians from their homes. /s

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              Never claimed otherwise. In fact, I literally mentioned Israel stealing land when I wrote:

              their approach of taking tiny bites has been subtle enough to avoid causing repercussions, so they most likely just go back to doing that at a later date.

              I guess that was too abstract?

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          The stated objective is to eliminate Hamas. Civilians are being told to evacuate the area. Hamas should not be advising otherwise. Doing so is inhumane and using the Palestinian people as human shields.

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            I think you get all of the information about the reality of this war from headlines and mainstream Western outlets.

            Tell you what, why don’t your layout your excavation plan? I would strongly recommend you do at least some light reading about the reality on the ground first.

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              I find BBC’s coverage quite impartial, even though a lot of their human side of the stories is from Israel.

              There are also plenty Of Western media outlets who are trying to depict both points of view in this conflict which is admirable, but I presume the media in the US is more opinionated.

              I also think what Hamas did was horrendous, but I know that the answer of Israel is not the solution either, and it is a pity just because politics and religion so many innocents from both sides have to suffer.

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              IDF spokesperson in Arabic - “The population of the city of Gaza, we address you this morning to leave the city of Gaza to the southern Gaza Strip for your security. I want to inform you that the IDF will refrain from touching the designated route on the map until 20:00. For your security, take advantage of the next time to move south from Beit Hanoun to Khan Yunis. We will publish additional safe methods later on. If you are concerned about yourselves and your loved ones, it is advisable to move south according to our instructions. Be close and assured that Hamas leaders are only concerned with protecting themselves in preparation for the upcoming attacks.”

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                I’m sorry, but parroting the IDF is not credible. Especially considering we’ve already had reports in the last several days of these IDF evacuation routes being bombed by the IDF.

                So either go read up on the realities of Gaza, or GTFO with your idiotic takes.

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                  I’m simply sharing their message. I’m very well aware of the realities on the ground, first hand. The people in Gaza should listen to the IDF and not Hamas to save their lives.

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        Have you thought that perhaps Israel could just not bomb a civilian area?

        I’d argue that not leaving would hopefully discourage bombing the entire area and 2 million people losing their homes.

        Israel “we’ll do it anyway”

        Who’s the bad guys here?

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          Recall who is bombing civilian areas indiscriminately. From these populated areas in Gaza. Using the Palestinians as human shields. Israel has a right - an obligation - to protect her citizens.

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          Did you forget what prompted this only a few days ago? I don’t know what kind of response they’d expect.

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            Did you forget what prompted that? I don’t know what kind of response you expect from locking millions behind a wall on their own land.

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              It didn’t happen.

              And if it happened then it wasn’t me.

              And if it was then it wasn’t that bad.

              And if it was then they deserved it <— You are here.