I have heard people having issues with archiving emails using protonmail. Curious to hear of people’s email provider and why?
I use Proton Mail and archive all of my emails, no issues. I’m very happy with Proton.
Slightly off-topic, but do you use Proton’s other products? If so, would you recommend any of them?
Not the same guy, but i do use protons services. I like the seamless integration of simplelogin for burner mails that you can also answer with from your proton inbox, VPN across multiple devices (work well on android and windows, but the linux client is severely lacking), the calender is basic but has the functionality i want from a calendar, proton password manager integrates well with mail/simplelogin so you can create aliases and logins seamlessly. Their Drive solution i dont use much since it’s all manual backup at the moment.
If you want an easy one-stop solution that works generally well with no tinkering, I’d say it’s worth it.
How is the calendar basic? I use it and haven’t noticed anything I want that it can’t do.
I mean, it does what a calender should do i guess. I can make appointments and that stuff, which is just the basic functionality expected of a calender application, but there’s no sharing or syncing whatsoever.
I really like their VPN, in fact, I put my entire home network behind Proton VPN. I also use Proton Calendar for shared calendars, for my personal stuff I use a self-hosted solution. Sometimes I upload something to Proton Drive. But probably the most useful Proton product (other than Mail) is SimpleLogin which you also get Premium access to when you subscribe to a paid Proton plan. It allows you to generate an unlimited amount of alias email addresses and all messages are forwarded to your inbox, it’s awesome, I love it.
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Posteo. Quite happy with it and it fits my needs.
Archiving emails? I am with Proton and don’t have any issues.
Same here, no issues
I actually self host it on a Raspberry Pi. Downside is that I can’t set up reverse DNS lookup, so some email providers won’t let me sent emails to them but it’s not a huge issue for me because I rarely send emails anyway. I mostly use my email for registrating accounts and that sort of stuff.
I use proton.
If archiving means downloading locally without encryption (or non-proton encryption), then I use proton bridge and mu4e.
Used to use proton but switched to mullvad vpn and tutanota (email+calendar) for better linux and android support. Protons linux vpn client is literally unusable for me (I don’t use networkmanager, and it only supports that) and they don’t support ipv6 while mullvad worked instantly for me and supports ipv6, and proton doesn’t have a linux email client, and their email app isn’t on fdroid and depends on google play services. Tutanota has a good linux client, is on fdroid, and doesn’t depend on google
I don’t work for Proton, but I don’t think you looked for the required info: you can set up OpenVPN or wireguard without using NetworkManager or the ProtonVPN application:
https://protonvpn.com/support/linux-openvpn/
https://protonvpn.com/support/wireguard-manual-linux/
But all other criticisms stand. I’m using Protonmail at the moment and I hate that they don’t have native integration of contacts/calendar for Android. I think I’ll move out next year, when my subscription expires.
You technically can, but when it’s all that work and research vs open app, sign in, hit connect, and you’re done, I don’t regret switching
Also, from more of a branding side, all those things imply to me that proton doesn’t value the same things I do or at least their priorities are different from mine. So I’d rather take my business to other platforms that do care about and cater to my use cases 🤷
Whe I moved away from Gmail it was the only one that had an offer that I liked: email, cloud, contacts, calendar, office stuff (groupware) AND it had (at the time) a very flexible price. I didn’t need lots of storage and Mailbox was the only one that had the option to change capacity. Now it doesn’t. Either way, still very good. The web client is a bit slow and I’m not a fan of how they handle 2FA, but still better than Gmail for me.
I did want to go with disroot, I forget why I didn’t. Proton didn’t have a calendar when I was shopping around. Do you still need a separate app for Proton or does it have IMAP now?
I second mailbox.org. Great email provider that I use too.
iCloud Mail, because using custom domains and “Hide My Email” aliases are included in iCloud+ which I have anyway (any storage subscription includes access to iCloud+), it’s free and it works fairly well.
But ProtonMail and the likes are obviously way better in terms of privacy, but iCloud Mail works for me.
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I’m still testing a few. The following list is favorite to least favorite after a month or so of use:
Skiff (free version - 10GB storage) - Using webmail is easy and straight forward, cell app is about the same. REALLY like that you basically get 4 email accounts (1 main and 3 alias account names), which is different than the others below. With the different aliases, this gives me an option to use Skiff for everything (if I choose to put it all in "one basket” - for personal, business and purchases/spam type uses). No integrated calendar, but significantly larger storage is a big plus. Otherwise, separate calendar app is fine, and they seem to be regularly making improvements. They also just implemented: “Quick Aliases are on mobile! Looking to protect your identity on mobile? You can now claim maskmy.id domains on mobile and use them to create privacy-protecting aliases that forward to your Skiff account.”
Tutanota (free - 1GB) - Using webmail is easy and straight forward as well, cell app about same. Main problem is, I’m never going to say “my email is xxxxx@TUTAmail.com” to anyone I know, especially business acquaintances. Name just sounds like something my mother or grandparents were scammed into using. They just changed the name from Tutanota to Tuta for some reason, so they could have taken the opportunity to come up with something different. However, the integrated calendar is nice, instead of a separate app. I’ve always swiped right to delete an email, but that’s archive on this app, and there is no option to change it. It’s been requested to have this option coded in (which it has been on Skiff) from others for year/s prior and no change has been made, so not expecting a lot of updates / improvements going forward.
Proton (free - 1GB, 500MB before doing 4 “tasks”) - Using webmail, cell app and separate calendar are all fine, I just prefer the other two so far.
Same plus Gmail for auto login junk
I’ve been with MXRoute 1 for over a year. It has an amazing reputation, stemming from a relatively strict set of rules. Jarland, the owner, is always on top of things doing maintenance, resolving incidents, and banning spammers and misusers.
I went with the lifetime account and it’s been an absolute boon getting away from Google.
Same. It may lack encryption that many look for, but I have accepted that email is too old to ever be truly secure. Most email is either coming from, or going to services provided by big tech companies anyway. I prefer an open, fully standards compliant email service over a locked down service that provides minimal additional security.
Correct. If one requires encrypted email, one is better off using OpenPGP.
Skiff.com I wanted to degoogle and Proton seems too bloated for me right now, too flashy and all. Same reason I cannot get used to thunderbird, I just need an email client not a whole suite. (Recommendations welcome haha)
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I’ve been paying one euro per month for posteo for almost a decade now.
Can you use your own domain there?
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I’ve also been using posteo for a long time and I gotta say, if you just want email, calDAV and cardDAV which will work with any email client its great
Recently got invited to try the very new Port87 email, been working great so far! https://port87.com
I host my own.
Mind me asking what server you use? I’m looking to self-host myself.
Sendmail + Mimedefang + Spamassassin + Dovecot + Sieve
For calendar and contacts I’m using radicale.
Authentication is via ldap.
This solution admittedly requires a bit of experience and knowledge of how it all works. It blows the doors off most bundled or commercial things you’ll find though.
