Seriously. Who is the Hungarian government and what’s its their play in the EU?
Victor Orban is a fascist and he’s spent the last 13 years seeking to turn Hungary into a fascist state. He controls the judiciary. He controls the media. He scapegoats Jews, Muslims and refugees for the country’s problems. He aligns himself with Putin.
Fascists inherently don’t like cross-border cooperation and supranational governance - it runs against all their beliefs about their nation’s superiority. So he doesn’t like the EU either and blames it for things to his domestic audiences. There is no press freedom in Hungary and so Hungarian voters get bombarded with this nonsense.
The EU needs to recognise that an enemy of European civilisation has been given the keys to the castle. That is a dangerous situation. It is time to invoke Article 7 to recognise that Hungary is acting against the EU’s founding values, and remove Hungary’s veto.
As a hungarian i completely agree with this. I think its hopeless so im moving away…
Hey, my wife and her sister moved away about 12 years ago … it was absolutely the right thing for both of them.
Anyone even halfway intelligent is better off moving away from Hungary. I feel sorry for those who can’t speak a foreign language and thus are stuck there.
i assume to Austria
Nope not even close. Sweden
not expected lol
Yeah, the short version is: Fascism is what’s wrong with Hungary.
One thing you neglected to mention is the rampant corruption which tends to involve EU money going into projects run by people close to Orban. Orban somehow manages to massively profit off EU money while running ad campaigns villainizing EU leader-du-jour (currently von der Leyen) as being a puppet of George Soros. Anywho, that’s why the EU regional aid money being blockaded is such a big deal to Hungarian leadership.
You didn’t mention, but they have a good line in scapegoating LGBT people too. They follow Russia as close as possible on that front.
How can this dude look at himself and believe anything about superiority? Or Hungary, a mediocre country at best.
It used to be an empire. And conmen can get rich by telling people that it could be one again.
Orban is in my opinion very good at gaslighting both the EU and his domestic supporters. He talks shit about the EU at every possible opportunity, but then when he shows up for Council meetings in Brussels, he’ll usually sign up for whatever he’s asked that month. Then he goes back to Hungary and immediately tells voters that he gave the EU leadership hell and that he got a great deal for Hungary. This is mostly my opinion, but I think everyone in the EU expects this conduct from Orban, and they just go along with it for the sake of progress.
His voters on the other hand genuinely think that he’s a national hero for standing up to the no good, despicable, very bad EU leftist bureaucrats who also just happen to subsidise their economy. I kind of admire his batshit approach to politics, but disagree with everything he says. Basically, he’s all bark and no bite. Just ignore whatever mad shit he’s spouting and assume he’s saying it for the benefit of his deranged supporters and won’t follow through on it.
It’s just hard to ignore when we is responsible for holding up funding for Ukraine.
I hope you’re right. Every time I see Orban show up in the news it’s to vomit some new vileness.
Well he didn’t like the support to Ukraine. That one was vetoed.
This is mostly my opinion, but I think everyone in the EU expects this conduct from Orban, and they just go along with it for the sake of progress.
My opinion is that the EU leaders secretly love him because he’s very useful. As an authoritarian and certified asshole he gets to veto things without too much consideration over his public image. He vetoes things the EU leaders want shut down so they can pretend they were totally gonna do it if not for that pesky Orban.
Great comment, but how is that behaviour “gaslighting”.
People have started to use this term for all kinds of bad behaviour, it’s lost its original meaning
That sounds like gaslighting to me!
That’s just your imagination.
Saying one thing and then doing another in order to mislead.
That’s called “lying” or “misleading”. We don’t need another word for that, we do, however could use with the actual meaning of the verb “to gaslight”.
Does he seriously call the EU leftist? Just how far right is this guy?
Leftist in Hungary just means “not Fidesz”. No joke, they once called a straight up Nazi party who are campaigning on segregation and antisemitism leftist.
Orban sucks off Putin like the GOP and Heritage Foundation. He’s trying to melt the EU from within. What more do you need to know?
Their only play is money. Everything else is secondary. All money from the EU is funneled to Hungarian companies controlled by Orban’s cronies, so they always get their (large) share.
At the same time they build up a very solid media control (made easier because Hungarian is an isolated language -the next related one would be finnish- and foreign language skills (apart from Russian) are low for most of the rural population at least) alongside some typical voter manipulation (where others want to get rid of FTP-voting he introduced it, so classical US-style gerrymandering is possible). And those people get fed anti-EU narratives 24/7 and believe most of that bullshit to reelect Orban time and time again.
So you basically have this wannabe-dictator that spends most of his time loudly complaining about the EU for his brain-washed domestic audience, while behind closed doors he will then agree to basically every EU compromise as long as is comes with more EU money and let’s him save face as the strong and independent guy fighting the evil EU…
He also doesn’t have problems meddling into other countries. In Slovenia he spent a lot of money into right wing political party owned awful media that’d die otherwise.
Edit: type due->die
Isn’t another part of the problem is how rural the population is? With a population of 9m, only 1.7m live in Budapest, and the second biggest city is only 200k. The rural population only consumes Hungarian propaganda and doesn’t get any other perspective.
homelessness has been made a crime
Citizen: I can’t get a job which pays me enough to finance an apartment.
Government: Straight to jail!
It’s how they can provide housing in the most expensive and miserable way possible. The homeless have to go somewhere, and then they get to feel like they are punishing them instead of helping.
The cruelty is the point, as with nearly all conservative policies
They basically get their politicians bribed by the EU to have a buffer between Russia. But their politicians are also in Putins pocket so it’s like bribe war
The population isn’t seeing a cent of the EU bribe money and they’re pretty angry about it.
The EU citizens don’t understand why Hungarians are mad when they’re receiving so much money.
The population isn’t seeing a cent of the EU bribe money and they’re pretty angry about it.
That’s on their own elected government. Not the EU.
And stupid to call it “bribe” money. This money SHOULD go to the people and development for the country.
