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    Fungi won’t trade if the tree is not giving enough nutrients. So while they don’t trade for profit they sure as hell aren’t engaging in charity.

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          No. Flat out no. There is no competition and they’re literally providing what they are capable of to take care of the others’ need. Mutual aid is not a marketplace and the fact you instinctually thought of it that way tells me you need a book on capitalist realism.

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              Not all competition is mediated via markets. Mushrooms will compete by injecting themselves into their adversaries using their own internal pressure.

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                Yeha, but they are showing an instance of nature in which things work one way and ask "why can’t humans XYZ if even a mushroom can? ", but there are also plenty of instances in which nature is savage.

                There is a constant war in the roots of trees, does that mean humans should be in constant war?

                Plus, there IS a profit incentive. Those mushrooms are trading. What they get in return is the profit incentive.

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                  Trading for food to eat is now “profit incentive”? How is there profit if you consume what you take?

                  Edit: and don’t get me started on the violence used in our own market systems. Thankfully Mushrooms learned long ago to eat the rich, because “surplus profit” are just resources that aren’t being used.

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            Where in that response did you see the word capitalism. Economics exist outside of your agenda/baggage.

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              “market place” is a concept of competition in contrast to Kropotkin’s concept of mutual aid

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      There likely could be other benefits to them sharing such as:

      1. when there is more than they can use, particularly that the mushroom does not like in their environment
      2. producing more leaves is likely highly beneficial for the mushroom, for shade both living and fallen, nutrients and cover with fallen leaves.

      Similar for the tree, but also mushrooms are recycling minerals from dead material.

      I don’t know if there’d be “stingy” trees (aside from vastly different nutrient needs), I could see it more of miscommunication or having too much difference with language/biologic pathways. EDIT: Also I gotta imagine that giant trees don’t even bother counting it for mushrooms so long as they aren’t stressed. Sugar water is in the grid, take as much as you want.

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          At first, I read that as you accusing them of being a stingy asshole chestnut tree and I was about to inform you that you were in fact talking to a lemon, not a tree 😄

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        Trees that rely on myco networks usually only get giant because of previous myco networking bonds, which funnel excess nutrients between not just the fungi but also other trees within the system. And depending on the involved species, this sometimes includes multiple plant species exchanging nutrients.

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      change your name. Assuming you aren’t underage so that psychotic pedo fuck would’t be interested.