Next evolution, just a one line bash script.
Me: install it, doesn’t work, read the docs, screw with all the missing things, doesn’t work, read the forms, install something else I missed, doesn’t work, find more forums, find the right answer, patch it up, get it working, figure out that the application is slow, missing critical features, and really just doesn’t do what I needed to do.
All-in-all a weekend well spent
It’s like I’m still in c/selfhosted
Or it does work, and then I never actually end up using it again.
And then months later I’ll have to do something similar and I’ve forgotten I even installed something that can do that, so I install another related thing.
really just doesn’t do what I needed to do.
This has been my experience, or sort of does what I want it to do, but I have to rethink what I need it to do instead of something really simple. Like a “new type of shared file system” that replaces NFS/Windows sharing. So instead of files in a standard file system one can manage with a file browser, it has “indexed” your files in such a way that the actual files are renamed into data chunks, and one “finds” files by their non-intuitive search engine that can’t do even basic search engine tricks like “AND/OR” searches, wildcards, and the results are hit and miss. “But it’s faster and more elegant!” So how do you restore from backup when the system fails? “When the system does whatnow?”
Yeah, no thanks. I can recover files from a file system much easier than some proprietary encoded bullshit fronted with a bad search engine over a proprietary and buggy index.
I asked the other week if anyone made a system that left files alone and just indexed them and gave you a place to store meta without moving them. Options do seem to exist, but they need LOTS of extra work
When the project installation steps start with a ‘git clone’.
Nah, to much work, use curl to download a script and blindly run it…
I have a couple scripts running in containers. I’m too lazy to do a proper CI build and I only run it on one system anyway so I just got pull and docker build. Sorry if i offend you.
Though if i keep this up I’ll probably just start to use my generic python container and commit a shell script to docker run with . mounted to /project or something, and set the entry point to pip install project/requirements.txt; python project/main.py.
I’m the opposite because I’ve had nothing but bad luck with docker. I should really spend more time with it but ugh
It’s definitely worth learning. I had the damnedest time with docker until I went to a meetup and had someone ELI5 to me. And it wasn’t that I wasn’t technical. I just couldn’t wrap my head around so many layers of extraction.
The guy was very patient with me and helped me get started with docker compose and the rest is history.
Abstraction?
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I was the same with Kubernetes until I started using Lens to monitor the clusters.
Portainer is huge and could be frustrating because too many settings. I prefer tools like dockge, yacht, or casaOS.
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Honestly portainer isn’t really necessary as you can just have some folders with docker compose.
I’m like that. It feels like a total waste of resources, and introduces unneeded complexity for backup, updates, file access, networking and general maintenance.
I would take a deb repo over docker any day of the week.
What’s wrong with it
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This oh my God. Just the other day I tried to install a project off git, it had a nice little .bat file to install all the requirements except half if them just didn’t exist or were so niche I couldn’t find anything on them after searching. Would love more dockers please.
.bat?
*starts loading shotgun.
Surely you mean .sh, right?
Ah well, maybe he used to much aliases? starts sweating in penguin costume
Naw they only had windows projects. I run all my stuff through VMware. Gotta have windows for stupid easy anti-cheat. Trust me I only use it when I have to, please put the gun down mr railcar!
Bat scripts should die. Switch to PowerShell instead.
Cursed project: provides
.ps1file for *nix configuration,.shfor Windows configuration (using git bash)
I believe this to be true for nearly all products. It has to be super simple to test, because you need to assess if it fits your needs. The mental model for a priori assessment is not strong enough usually.
It’s because I’ve seen What people can do with a simple docker container that I completely agree. It’s too nice to go back.
I’d agree more if most docker stuff didn’t depend on running as root.
I think your looking for podman
yeha, but the big projects like linuxserver.io love creating docker images with root access, even if people have warned them it is an awful security practice. I rewrote all of their images in a personal repo, screw that. I won’t run shit as root in my machine, even in containers.
There’s rootless docker, or podman, or numerous other container runtimes. The beauty in containers is separating concerns. How you choose to run it, root or rootless, is up to you in all but the nichest of scenarios.
Rootful docker and rootless docker can be run at the same time on the same machine too. So projects that require root privileges can still work on a machine where most other projects run as rootless.
As someone that uses FreeBSD as its main server, it’s kinda the other way around haha
Masochist
Building a docker container isn’t normally to hard. I usually will create a PR with a dockerfile and docker compose
As a NixOS user, I pick whatever is supported well as a NixOS package.
Sometimes I’m too lazy for that :p
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I was so surprised by how easy it was to install Yacy–I’d thought a self-hosted search engine would be tough, but I made a docker-compose file and pointed my reverse proxy to the server, works perfectly so far!
Yeah no thanks I actually enjoy customizing my installs and not relying on docker for config management which it really shouldn’t be used for.
Only container I have that was well worth it is the OSX vm which makes it easy to swap versions and options without having to coax the crappy apple software.
Which I also only have because I thought it’d be funny to demo bluebubbles to my friends.
unpopular opinion docker is the worst creation in webdev besides js and react
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I find docker to be very useful as it makes the environment highly predicable while allowing your code to run anywhere
Explain?
Docker for webdev? You know that Docker is server side right?
I despise docker/containers.
Stop pushing the popularity of Docker. It is proprietary software and runs completely opposite to the ideals of GNU/Linux.
Docker is open source, licensed under Apache-2.0. Not really sure what you’re talking about.
While docker is open source I have no idea why systemd nspawn containers aren’t more popular. Most systems have this built in without needing to install 3rd party software. And I find using it so much easier. I assign each container an IP address and manage them all with ansible. It provides isolation and convenience while not trying to reinvent the wheel.
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