Jensen Huang believes coding languages are a thing of the past
  • azertyfun@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    39·
    9 months ago

    Oh my god it’s “visual programming” all over again. This is such a monumentally stupid take that fundamentally misunderstand and denigrates what software engineering is even about, I can’t even–

    Actually, I like job security. Yeah, that’s right, coding is easy and dumb, don’t bother to learn kids! In unrelated news here’s my business card…

    • HubertManne@kbin.social
      4·
      9 months ago

      I could see a situation where logic and math classes were all that was needed because the ai could interpret the code for what the logic required was.

      • azertyfun@sh.itjust.works
        11·
        9 months ago

        If you can gather requirements and lay out a detailed and perfectly accurate flowchart, then congratulations: you’ve just programmed. It’s done. The first difficult part is over. Translating that flowchart into machine code is easy, tons of tools already do that visually or however you want it and LLMs are just an additional tool for this.

        Then there’s the second difficult part of a project’s lifecycle: Debugging, maintenance, and support. Where again AI can help punctually as part of the tool box, but most of those tasks don’t require writing (a lot of) code.

        All the senior software engineers I know spend, optimistically, 20 % of their time actually “writing code”. That’s your upper limit on the efficiency gains of LLMs for higher level software engineering. Saying LLMs will replace programmers is like saying CAD software will replace architects.

        • HubertManne@kbin.social
          1·
          9 months ago

          yeah this is what I mean though and took it to be what he meant. code itself becomes irrelevant. I know tons of people who take coding classes and students who ask if you need to learn math to code and are told no. I don’t consider myself a coder because to me I script and I always move the goalpost for deciding when im really coding.

      • Ogmios@sh.itjust.works
        21·
        9 months ago

        That’s literally the entire end goal of supra-human organizations like governments and corporations, and why the American constitution is built upon reigning in their powers. Obviously their system has become corrupted in recent times, but that was foreseen and accounted for.

    • Kbin_space_program@kbin.social
      6·
      9 months ago

      Senior dev here: it’s already like that.
      I know how my code, and the code of everyone under me works.

      I have a good idea of how the systems I run the end result on work.

      But under that layer there are several more layers between that and hardware that I only have a faint idea of.

  • wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
    17·
    9 months ago

    Don’t worry about intellectual work that’s the best job to support your family today, you’re now free to toil in the fields doing jobs we give migrants for minimum wage plus board in shitty shared bunk houses!

      • wise_pancake@lemmy.ca
        5·
        9 months ago

        I am unironically building myself a woodshop so I can retire from tech into a life of making real tangible objects, with no JIRA tickets, no kanban boards, and no stand-ups.

    • PlasterAnalyst@kbin.social
      1·
      9 months ago

      Factories are hiring for $21+ an hour for basic work, inside, usually climate controlled. Also my health insurance is $25/mo with good coverage and includes a free gym membership. Where I live you can buy a decent house for $100k - $200k. Line mechanics make $60k-$80k with basic knowledge of how a PLC works. Management is going to get dropped for ai, fuck those guys.

  • Vodica@lemmy.world
    161·
    9 months ago

    I remember when Bill Gates said: 512K RAM memory will be more then enough forever.

    • psvrh@lemmy.ca
      4·
      9 months ago

      Star Trek is the best case scenario.

      We’ve already blew past Wall-E and are currently trending Robocop,Idiocracy or Max Headroom, with an eye to achieving Terminator or the Matrix.

  • AwkwardLookMonkeyPuppet@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3·
    9 months ago

    Keep in mind that he represents a company that hopes to dominate a market where AI runs on their GPUs. So he’s not exactly an unbiased source of information. That said, AI is poised to heavily impact 80% of ALL jobs on the planet within the next 10 years. It isn’t just coders that corpos want to replace with AI, it’s everyone. We’re going to see some crazy shit in the years to come.

  • Socsa@sh.itjust.works
    3·
    9 months ago

    It will replace junior level devs but you will still need people supervising it and doing systems level design and integration. And those people will need to know how to code. Software tools which abstract core knowledge and first principles don’t actually negate the need to know these things.

    If anything this will make deep engineering and domain knowledge even more valuable, as AIs will replace a lot of the amateurish side of dev work these days, but the humans who do remain in that loop will require a much greater level of expertise.

  • Poggervania@kbin.social
    3·
    9 months ago

    Is there a future where AI could probably code itself? I wouldn’t be surprised, but I highly doubt even then you would completely wipe out coding as a field because I am pretty sure you would need people who knew how to code to update new syntax and logic for the AIs. Not to mention, I don’t see a chance in hell that CEOs would actually be fine with not controlling how an AI codes and develops, and would have a human eye on it to ensure it’s doing what they want.

    But maybe AI could legitimately replace CEOs since it’s already geared towards disseminating large datasets - just give it the ability to determine the day-to-day operations for the company based on numbers.

    • 𝕽𝖚𝖆𝖎𝖉𝖍𝖗𝖎𝖌𝖍@midwest.social
      1·
      9 months ago

      Is there a future where AI could probably code itself?

      If we actually achieve AI that understands what it is doing, then absolutely yes. And then, the gloves come off. They’ll make improvements to make themselves smarter, and it’ll cascade until they get to a point where they look at us and wonder if we are intelligent by their higher standards.

      However, mark my words: most CEOs and other senior execs could be replaced if not today, then in tye near future by today’s ML - and well before programmers can be replaced. I believe this is going to be a surprising and sharp lesson for them, because any board that recognizes an AI can give them similar ROI without the high cost and golden parachutes won’t hesitate to replace the C-suite. It’s more cost effective to ditch Bezos and keep several hundred developers than the other way around. All it’ll take is one high-profile case, and it’ll start a cascade. If I were a senior exec, I’d be sweating about the near-to-mid future of my career right now.

  • fsxylo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    41·
    9 months ago

    Professionals will say that AI can’t replace coding because they’ll never be able to replace the human element of critical thinking and interpreting client needs. I say AI will replace coding because CEOs are dipshits.

    • Socsa@sh.itjust.works
      2·
      9 months ago

      This is why there is a fundamental difference between coding and engineering, even though that line has gotten pretty blurry recently. AI will absolutely replace coding. It’s already doing so. It will be a bigger lift to actually replace human engineers doing domain specific R&D work. The AIs will just become another tool in that workflow, like calculators or CAD software.