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French President Emmanuel Macron met with parliamentary parties on Thursday. During the meeting Macron said he was open to the possibility of sending troops to Ukraine, as announced by, according to French newspaper L’Independant.
Fabien Roussel, a representative of the French Communist Party, said after the meeting that “Macron referenced a scenario that could lead to intervention [of French troops]: the advancement of the front towards Odesa or Kyiv.”
He noted that the French President showed parliamentarians maps of the possible directions of strikes by Russian troops in Ukraine.
Following the meeting, Jordan Bardella of the far-right National Rally party noted that “there are no restrictions and no red lines” in Macron’s approach.
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Russia: invades Ukraine
You: so the French are to blame for WW3
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A sad backwards gas station’s economic interest was threatened. I understand that taking in economic, geopolitical and societal reasons into account is much more effort, but think outside of the Simple World of Conspiracy box.
Ukraine:
- One of the top grain supplier.
- One of the top xeon gas exporter. It is used in chip fabs.
- Was about to be one of the main natural gas suppliers. In 2012 large gas fields were discovered. Terrain with gas pockets overlaps all axis of initial attack.
- 2014 Ukraine overthrows soviets. Suddenly actual strides towards democracy.
- Wanted to join EU and NATO
russia was:.
- Top gas supplier to EU.
- Top coal supplier to EU.
- Crumbling economically already.
Now. Imagine what is the biggest threat to an authoritarian state
- that is already slowly collapsing
- Has decades long history of corruption, nomenclature - as in no free market
A country that is about to have better prospects of living and roaring GDP, and you dont have to learn another language to migrate! Ukraine. Nextdoors
And what is an Imperialistic Nazi cunt idea other than to start a war? It worked for centuries!
Ukraine, in 2014 was where Poland was in 1990.
Poland had THE SAME problems Ukraine has now. Because of russia, mind you.
Poland had a society that wanted change. Poland joined NATO. Joined EU. And 30 years later has a booming GDP and fastest transformation in Europe.
In 30 years from now, fossil fuels are to be NOT used. The main reason russia has ANY sway and and ANY GDP - gas and oil.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
Ever heard of the cold war? West and Russia have been attacking each others for a century. Most countries in the world are ruled by corrupted mentally hill politicians competing each others for world domination
What cold war has to do with the objective fact that Russia invaded Ukraine?
It has everything to do with it. Ukraine was part of the USSR. NATO was created to counter the USSR. After it broke up and NATO remained they started adding more to the alliance. The alliance crept closer and closer to Russia. If Ukraine joined NATO then that would be the greatest threat to Russia. They don’t trust the west.
The alliance didn’t creep closer, nations that were previously Soviet colonies flocked to it and used every trick in the book to be allowed into it as soon as possible. This is what national sovereignty looks like. All of this is Russia’s fault and they are to blame for it. They and their sycophants have no right to complain about it.
Perhaps something with the objective fact that usa and the west have been operating military in ukraine for the past decade
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
Are you trying to blame USA for the objective fact that Russia invaded Ukraine? Lol.
Learn history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War
The west and russia have been attacking each others for a century, both blocks are rigged, USA and Russia are both ruled by corrupted murderer mentally hill politicians who crave for wealth and power
History is history, it studies the past. On the 24 of February Putin appeared on television, said that he was about to invade Ukraine, and then we saw Russian rockets hitting Ukrainian cities and tanks crossing the border between two countries. You need a lot of desire to ignore facts in order to blame USA or anyone else for what’s happening.
You keep typing “mentally hill,” is that how you say that term?
Conquering russia and make it to history books is probably one of the wet dream of any of these eu rulers vermin
How much RT does one have to watch to believe in such absurd nonsense?
just pick up any history book you like and look at what nations and their corrupted leaders have been doing until yesterday
Putin and Russia. Simples.
Ah yes, get two nuclear powers against each other, great fucking idea.
Do people not see how insane this is?
I have no desire for American troops to fight in Ukraine. For all those with the bloodlust. Go enlist.
I wouldn’t go. I’d just resign my commission and wash my hands of it.
I’m tried of everyone looking to America to come save them and they whine about Americans after we do.
You’re just as popular outside your echo chamber I see.
There have been half a million casualties on European soil. Do you suggest we simply let more people die? Or that nuclear powers can simply bully smaller countries and do what they want?
I suggest you to run a simple wikipedia search on any EU or world leader to see how much corrupted and evil they are. I also suggest you to pick up a good history book and read it. The only war that should matters for people is that against their own corrupted mafiosi rulers. War between countries and nations are mentally hill games played by politicians greedy for wealth and power. War games between nuclear powers is always a disastrous scenario for people like me and you. It’s not just the threat of total destruction that should concern you, when countries prepares for war they trigger a destructive machine.
Yes, we know that Russia invaded Ukraine because of a mentally ill game by a dude greedy for wealth and power. And now we unfortunately are put in the position of having to stop his quest for wealth and power lest it consume the whole of Europe. Or do you think that the guy hungry for wealth and power will stop pursuing those things because of diplomacy?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
The west doesn’t give a shit about diplomacy either, they want war. Rulers profit on war.
Russia and the west have being at each others for a century, their ambitions didn’t start with russia invasion of ukraine
If the West wants war so bad, why are Western countries dithering so hard about giving equipment to Ukraine? Shouldn’t that be profitable for them? Shouldn’t the US congress approve the aid to Ukraine in a heartbeat if all they want is to enrich themselves if war is so profitable?
Why is it okay for Russia to profit from war, but not for people trying to stop Russia from expanding their war profiteering? Does every European country need to become a target for Russian war profiteering?
Who was it that attacked Ukraine? Regardless of any past ambitions, even if the west “wants war”, would there be any war in Europe at the present moment if Russia had not invaded Ukraine?
If the West wants war so bad, why are Western countries dithering so hard about giving equipment to Ukraine?
They aren’t, did you read the article i posted that says the west has been helping ukraine for a decade already? Did you miss the part where ukraine is getting f-16, already got abrams, german tanks, thousand of javelins, illegal cluster munitions, drones and all the rest? Did you ever bothered checking the sky traffic near ukraine for the past 2 years?
Why is it okay for Russia to profit from war?
Ask that to your government who is in business partnership with china and other countries selling weapons to russia.
would there be any war in Europe at the present moment if Russia had not invaded Ukraine?
There are plenty of wars around the globe you don’t hear about in the media
Do people not see how insane this is?
They are brainwashed by propaganda so they don’t. Governments spend billions on it. For the same reason they celebrate and cheer on weapons manufacturing and war, not understanding that weapons are designed to kill people not to help them and that war only brings destruction.
War is insane, so it is unfortunate that Russia has unleashed it again. But fortunately we are working on helping Ukraine stop Russia from killing more people and bringing more destruction to Ukraine.
Edit: I love how pro-Russian shills are downvoting me without being able to give a single real reason why one should blame this war on anyone else but Russia.
But fortunately we are working on helping Ukraine stop Russia from killing more people and bringing more destruction to Ukraine.
Doesn’t seem the case or you would hear of diplomacy talks not making more weapons and sending more troops there.
why one should blame this war on anyone else but Russia.
Governments and politicians are all rigged, they don’t care about people they care about their own filthy interests
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
West and russia have been attacking each others for a century, none of them are good, they seek and want war, corrupted politicians crave more wealth and power they don’t care about people look at how they are supporting a genocide right now in palestine
Don’t fuck with the French.
People forget they were a super power for centuries.
(jk, I love my French brothers)
Ai is truly amazing
Despite all the jokes, The French have won more wars than any other country in history. They were exhausted by the time 1940 rolled around
They’re country is right in the middle of one of the areas of the world with the most wars of all time, and it stretches from coast to coast. That alone says a ton.
They were exhausted by the time 1940 rolled around
They were not worthy of the mantle of responsibility
Still are 😎
I think once you have nukes you can send to anywhere on the planet at any time, you count as a superpower.
And they have the most FAFO nuke policy of any nuclear power. They told the world in the '70s “ok we have the nukes, they are pointed at all of you. If anyone anywhere uses these things, we launch at everyone.”
Where can I learn more?
They surrendered to the Germans after putting up a brave fight for ** checks notes ** 5 weeks.
I am in conflict about that move. But Macron at least tries to irritate Putin with his own definition of a „red line“, like „if you push to Odessa or Kyiv we will send troops“ maybe this is just the way of talking to Putin now, Russia always threaten Europe of nuclear strikes, their propaganda shitty tv shows is full of bombing Great Britain and sink the whole island, bombing or conquering Berlin again blah blah. They won’t because they can’t because of NATO and even without the US, Russia is not capable to conquer whole Europe, yet. So I think it is a good move in terms of threatening Putin with nato troops in Ukraine, because this is the only language he understands. On the other hand France is kinda safe when it comes to a conventional war, at least for a long time. Of course Germany is scared because it is not that far away, it is literally just Poland between Germany and russia and the German military is by far not able to fight a war against a well trained army with endless human resources.
it is literally just Poland between Germany and russia
Poland has one of the most powerful militaries in Europe. If you think Russia’s been struggling in Ukraine, you haven’t seen anything yet. Since Poland joined the EU (and later, NATO) it’s become much more prosperous than it was under Soviet/Russian influence:
It’s been using that prosperity to spend on military. It’s not the pushover from days of yore any more, and it’s in NATOI very much doubt they are in even remotely the same league as France or the UK. The lack of nuclear weapons would be a hint, as would the inability to produce more than basic weapons systems on their own. Don’t get me wrong, they would be able to put up a fierce fight against Russia, but not on their own.
On the other hand France is kinda safe when it comes to a conventional war, at least for a long time. Of course Germany is scared because it is not that far away, it is literally just Poland between Germany and russia and the German military is by far not able to fight a war against a well trained army with endless human resources.
France has nukes, Germany doesn’t. Meaning france can say whatever they want, the nuke-threat is empty against other nuke countries.
If they really wanna play putin’s stupid game, NATO should amass 200.000 troops not in or next to Ukraine, but elsewhere. 50.000 more near scandinavian border, 50.000 more baltics & poland, 50.000 turkey-georgia, 25.000 moldova/romania and, because why not, 25.000 somewhere near bering strait/alaska. All-in, tanks, plane, carriers, stand by on every other accessible border to russia. See how russia really handles that permanent land overstretch in every direction.
Germany has access to American nukes (nuclear sharing - they would be dropped by German pilots), which would be used if Russian tanks came even anywhere close to the border.
So it’s trump or Biden calling shots not scholz, big difference. And in most countries with US nukes: there is an American units base maintaining and safeguarding the weapons, it’s a big difference from France or UK and that reflects in politics.
The real question is why did they not do it already?
Trying to solidify a stance of power in the EU due to the unreliability of American aid depending on whether a crackpot dictator or a rational, sane person wins the next election would be my guess.
I guess he will revenge Napoleon /s And even Nazi Germany armes to the teeth failed, but Macron shall win now /s
Finally someone with some fucking balls
You can take my place then.
Right. Macron’s not the one putting his head in front of the bullets
I see the two of you don’t understand how a military works then. You don’t join a military, and then bitch and complain if you are sent to fight, it’s literally what you signed up for. If in this specific situation you are not French, you should also probably just keep your mouth shut
Because France is part of NATO and the EU, getting to war with Russia doesn’t only means sending professional troops, but most likely total war where even civilians would be drafted
I see you don’t understand that many European citizens are conscripts.
Finland, Switzerland, Austria, and Greece. These are the European countries with conscription. On paper, Norway and Sweden have conscription, but in all actuality there’s basically no way you get conscripted involuntarily.
Yes.
I see you were too lazy to look out up yourself. The only European armies with conscripts are Finnland, Switzerland, Austria, Greece, Turkey and of course Ukraine. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/File%3AConscription_map_of_the_world.svg
I see you, and pretty much everyone else, missed the point entieely
These are not the guys they’ll send out in a war. Unlike Russia, Western nations don’t need cannon fodder.
You are right, I forgot, the west would never do that!
Thinking the wealthy class won’t send you to war has got to but one of the smoothest brain takes I’ve heard all year.
and you don’t understand the difference between a career soldier and a conscript. Let me enlighten you:
As a conscript you will be drafted only in a defense situation, an actual war in your own country. Simply spoken when the Russians are at your doorstep.
A career soldier can send to missions either an official NATO one or one approved by your country’s commanding officer of your army.
As a conscript you will be drafted only in a defense situation, an actual war in your own country. Simply spoken when the Russians are at your doorstep.
I’m sure all those drafted/conscripts who went to Vietnam totally felt like they were defending their country from imminent attack!
you know that this is Europe here, right? But I see you don’t even care, do you?
You don’t join a military, and then bitch and complain if you are sent to fight
Look at yourself, you are talking like an human without soul. People are not robots or machines they join the military because perhaps they believe in justice and want to defend their own people from villains. There’s no justice in fighting a war for business, there’s no justice in fighting wars for corrupted politicians at the expenses of innocent people.
We are all humans and everyone should be allowed and encouraged to talk not to keep his mouth shout.
because perhaps they believe in justice and want to defend their own people from villains.
So like Putin?
Politicians and rulers are bad actors and professional liars who use everything as a leverage to get more wealth and power. Stalin fought the nazi in WWII, was he a good human being? fuck no he was a dictator himself tripping on power.
Politician who these days call for freedom on one hand while supporting a genocide in the other are scum, it’s not that hard to see.
Wait… are you actually trying to push Putin’s “Ukrainians are Nazis” narrative?
Politicians and rulers never do, they are playing chess with people
Someone with “balls” wouldn’t be sit drinking champagne in a suit and send thousand to die out of business. Politicians like this one are actually mentally hill people with mental problems addicted to money and wealth
Politicians like Putin? You know the source of all this is Putin himself. He is certainly mentally hill [sic]
They all are, anyone who shakes hand with putin or his friends with a genuine laugh on his face is scum too.
As much as I dislike Macron, I’ll just remember that he was one of the European leaders that was favoring finding a diplomatic solution the most during the earlier weeks of the war. He’s probably being more opportunistic than brave, honest or committed, but at least you can’t accuse him of being a bloodlusting warmonger.
He’s probably being more opportunistic than brave, honest or committed, but at least you can’t accuse him of being a bloodlusting warmonger.
He’s literally waging war right now. Were have you been in the past 10 years where he has beaten and repressed a million of his own people and passed all sort of authoritarians law?
Finally someone with some friggin balls
Or at least talks the talk. No one has much faith in him to actually follow through though.
Hes broken the seal on saying it hopefully a slightly more anti russian country (caugh caugh poland) will step up and let the people rape and kill their way across russia as they have wanted to for almost 100 years.
That could be called balls if he would take the rifle himself.
Otherwise, it’s political play - maybe a necessary one, but it has nothing to do with “balls”.
It 100% is a political play but you must remeber thats what the armed forces of france signed up for they signed up to fight on behalf of the political power. Not one single other western country has even mentioned sending troops regardless of if he is the one holding a rifle (i suspect many of said troops being sent wont be doing such things they will most likly be engineers to support the western equipment) that is a ballsy political move and it should not be disregarded.
Fair enough
Good! I’m in!
Ah, so you joined the french army?
I’m on active duty in a NATO country, so sure, why not!
Fair enough
Following the meeting, Jordan Bardella of the far-right National Rally party noted that “there are no restrictions and no red lines” in Macron’s approach.
I don’t know what this means, but it seems like a win for Ukraine, ofc it is just talk right now.
And it most likely will remain talk. Macron would help Ukraine more by helping to set up a robust military supply chain for Ukraine.
Fuck Putin with the big stick.
Strike while the beast is weak.
I hope this makes Putin’s stomach churn, as if his piss wasn’t frothy enough since the start of this war revealed some of his navy was missing before they even began.
Part of his Navy went AWOL? I totally missed that what with “Russian Warship, Go Fuck Yourself.”
Yeah the only Russian Aircraft Carrier was completely immobile, the person in charge of overseeing repairs was charged with embezzling 45 Million Rubles, and that’s only just the start of it. They were missing fuel, rations, winter clothes, you name it.
I keep reading stuff like this and Makes you really wonder how Russia was such a threat on paper and still fighting in Ukraine. Like what else is shotty or actively being embezzled right now.
They might have cleaned house, they even killed Yevgeny Prigozhin.
Maybe, but it’s still a government run by thieves and murderers so it’s not terribly unlikely that theft is still occurring.
I’d say it’s a government run by the Mafia, but it’s more accurate to say the government is the Mafia.
Kleptocracy is a term I’ve heard tossed around before.
send him instead to the front
They’re okay with war because it won’t be them holding the famas, it will be me or other french people.
Fuck them.
Putin wants to take over Europe. You’re okay with that?
And how do you imagine that?
Tales of Putin willing to take over Europe are straight up fearmongering. Most countries in Europe are part of NATO and subject to mutual defense clause. Ukraine is not, which us why it was possible to attack it in the first place (and which is why it desperately wants in).
Attacking any of the NATO countries is straight up suicidal.
Please do not let hysteria sift into your brain, for this is the very thing corrupt politicians use to do terrible things.
No. But I don’t want to fight a war that’s not mine. Every single time when a war is starting there are people that suddenly get warlike AF wanting to kill every Russians. You just don’t know what you’re talking about, you feel like doing it because it feels good being the ‘savior’ but you’re just delusional
It sure will be yours when it gets to your doorstep.
He’s being very short-sighted, as if Ukraine was the final step to this war.
Any corrupted politician dream is to take over other countries, western politicians wet dream is to take over russia too.
Unlike corrupted politicians i do not support putin, i don’t have pictures shaking hands with him and laughing, i don’t have mutual friends with him, i don’t have a boat parked in the same dock next to his, i don’t have business associations with him and i didn’t sign weapons deals with russia a bunch of years ago like many EU countries did.
western politicians wet dream is to take over russia too.
Which ones? Please show evidence.
And you don’t have to like Putin to support him. All you have to do is do what you’re doing and be okay with him taking over Ukraine. To begin with.
I do not support putin, the ukrainian government or any other corrupted politician. If you do talk for yourself and not for others. I support freedom and justice, always and for everyone. You do not fight for freedom arming and empowering villains and dictatorships.
I support freedom and justice, always and for everyone.
Except in Ukraine since you aren’t interested in helping them be free.
Are you aware that since 2022 any male between 18 and 60 can’t leave the country and will be arrested if they try to do so? Are you aware that your own government is in business partnership with countries like china who also supply russia in the war?
As much as I want to stick it to Putin, I’m fleeing to Ireland the moment something like this happens.
I don’t feel like being vaporized by a Soviet warhead.
I’m going to Kap Verde myself. Or Gambia. Uruguay maybe, or Honduras. Or Vietnam, or Kambodia. Or Madagascar, you can never go wrong with Madagascar. Or Nepal. Tanzania maybe.
