Where is all of the fediverse?
blog.benjojo.co.uk

The author examined the distribution of instances in the fediverse. Given that many instances are hidden behind CDNs like Cloudflare or Fastly, the author employed ActivityPub’s functionality to discover the actual hosting locations of servers. More than half (51%) of the fediverse is hosted within a single hosting company. The author suggests that the fediverse hosted mostly with a few major providers, deviates from its initial objectives.

  • TheMurphy@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 months ago

    Whoever wrote this blog post missed the point in the way the fediverse is decentralised.

    It’s not about hosting. It’s about ownership. And that means hosting can change at any moment. Because no one company decides anything.

    That’s why we really want the fediverse. Because it’s not build for late stage capitalism and monopolies.

    • My Password Is 1234@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      1·
      9 months ago

      You’re correct; the focal point revolves around data ownership. However, you have to ask yourself, do we actually own the data?

      Currently, four major hosting companies dominate the fediversum. Instance owners in practice do not have full control over the physical servers where their data is hosted.

      Do you own the disks on which the data is hosted? No! The hosting companies retain that ownership and, can wipe the contents with a mere click.

      A regular court order is all it takes, and I question whether every instance is backed up? While some may indeed have backups, they might reside on the very same server. Others, although having backups, may execute the process improperly. Additionally, there are those with partial backups, and the list goes on.

      • TORFdot0@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        9 months ago

        Those companies don’t own your backups and can’t stop you from moving your instance somewhere else. And if you don’t have a backup then it doesn’t matter if you are running your instance in a datacenter you built yourself because you can inadvertently wipe the contents with a mere click

      • conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        9 months ago

        A regular court order won’t be granted unless there’s very good reason.

        And it won’t be issued to cloudflare to “delete everything that uses ActivityPub”, because that’s insane. And would require a bunch of manual engineering work.

        And being distributed through cloudflare tells you nothing about where the files are stored. Because they’re a CDN.

  • mormund@feddit.deEnglish
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    9 months ago

    Not to give any judgement on whether usage of a CDN is good or bad. But I think it is a bad idea to talk about decentralized hosting and decentralized ownership like they are identical. The problem with social media the fediverse is solving isn’t that all social media goes down when CloudFlare/Facebook CDN goes down. It’s to be independent of one organisation or even person that can ruin the fun for everyone. If CloudFlare bans every instance, the owners are still in control of their DNS names and can just move to another CDN or their own reverse proxy/cache

  • GadgeteerZA@fedia.io
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    9 months ago

    @mypasswordis1234@lemmy.world being behind Cloudflare does not stop an instance being decentralised at all. I have a very small site that I can only afford a little money to host it. Although it is “behind” Cloudflare, it is hosted in the UK. That hosting is decentralised. Without a CDN my instance could not exist unless I had a ton of cash to pay for superfast hosting.

    None of this makes my site “centralised”.

    • My Password Is 1234@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      9 months ago

      While the hosting location may be decentralized, using Cloudflare introduces a level of centralization in the way Internet traffic is managed. Cloudflare acts as a central point through which all incoming traffic is routed before reaching your decentralized server. This centralization is evident in the fact that Cloudflare controls access to the site, providing security measures, CDN services and acting as a proxy server.

      Without Cloudflare, hosting can indeed be decentralized, but the inclusion of this proxy service means that a central entity (Cloudflare) plays a key role in handling and directing traffic. This introduces a level of centralization to the overall service, even if the hosting itself remains decentralized.

      • BlueÆther@no.lastname.nzEnglish
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        9 months ago

        And it will take me all of 60 seconds to turn off cloudflare on my instance I I ever have to and 5 min for TTL on the DNS to expire, bit in saying that I have moved from a small indipendent VPS to a much larger provider for cost saving (Mostly for storage, but also double the core count).