• Billiam@lemmy.world
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      What do you mean “a whistleblower in the middle of testifying against Boeing’s shoddy and unsafe construction practices decides to off himself in a hotel parking lot” isn’t normal?

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            No. Gary Webb, the reporter from the San Jose Mercury News who first broke the story of CIA involvement in the cocaine trade, was found dead with “two gunshot wounds to the head.” His death, in 2004, was ruled a suicide.

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              The first shot went through his face, and exited at his left cheek. The coroner’s staff concluded that the second shot hit an artery.

              Not quite the back of the head.

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                  Ah, the meaning of my comment went straight over your head and you resort to throwing insults around.

                  I’ll spell it out then: The fact that the first shot merely went through his mouth, from one cheek to the other makes it entirely possible, even probable, that Gary Webb commited suicide. Even his ex-wife said so:

                  Webb’s ex-wife, Susan Bell, told reporters that she believed Webb had died by suicide.[72] “The way he was acting it would be hard for me to believe it was anything but suicide,” she said. According to Bell, Webb had been unhappy for some time over his inability to get a job at another major newspaper. He had sold his house the week before his death because he was unable to afford the mortgage.

                  Spreading unfounded, exaggerated conspiracy theories while not even getting the facts straight isn’t helping anyone but the perpetrators, especially when the CIA actually did commit some atrocious crimes that can be cited by stating facts instead of fiction.

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                  Pretty sure this meme refers to when someone finds the slightest, most irrelevant technicality so they can say you’re wrong. You’re just straight up incorrect here in a way that’s directly applicable to the thread. There’s nothing wrong with that, everyone gets shit wrong.

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      I don’t think this ends in beheadings, but there will (hopefully) be significant follow on effects. A threat to consumer confidence in flying is a risk to the entire industry, all Boeing’s competitors and the airlines will be screaming for the FAA to get the actions right here…

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        Competitors… You mean Airbus, the EU sponsored counterpart to Boeing? And literally no one else?

        There’s almost no competition in the airliner space - both Boeing and Airbus are also state subsidised to a certain extent. Their mere existence is a strategic asset.

        Either of them failing would have large global consequences… At worst, Boeing might no longer be able to hire their own FCC inspectors… At worst.

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          Even the smaller competitors like Bombardier would have an interest in this, even if they are not the manufacturers of similar sized aircraft, a loss of faith in the aviation industry hurts everyone too. Plus suppliers etc.

          As for the investigators (I know you meant FAA, not FCC), we have a similar issue in medical devices - you need seriously well educated experts to perform the investigations, and it is hard to find any without industry experience which wouldn’t look good on paper. The solution is to try as hard as you can to not have ex-employees audit their ex-bosses, but it isn’t always possible so we accept some overlap. It doesn’t mean these people don’t take their job seriously.

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            Bombardier is 75% owned by Airbus now. There are hardly any competitors left, even small ones

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      It’s funny I know someone who’s an exec at Boeing Space, which is practically a completely different company and 99% a gov contractor. Let’s just say the SLS hassss to work flawlessly because its got “Boeing” written all over its parts, luckily NASA is leading the project so it’ll probably go as planned.

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          Not sure why you are getting down votes. Nobody wants SLS, even NASA. Congress is proping it up for pork

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            Because everyone assumes if you aren’t a SLS booster you agree with every single thing Elon Musk has ever done or said.

            I hate how there isn’t a middle anymore. It is like the Middle East but for everything.

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              Ah. Yeah musk is insane but his rockets are cheaper than the SLS will be. Hell Congress hasn’t even funded more than 1 or 2 launches because it is so expensive.

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        Yeh but that guy wasn’t even in charge when that project was laid out and he got a massive golden parachute. Paid sacrafical lamb for PR purposes.

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        According to The Guardian he got $60M in stock and pension for being fired. Also it seems that stock price didn’t fall much after the crashes and the grounding. It is only after COVID hit that Boeing’s price plummeted. So it might be only by pure luck that he lost anything of value at all.

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          About 300 years at the salary of a doctor. I am sure he contributed as much to human happiness and well-being as 300 doctors working for a single year.

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    This reminds me so much of a client I had a while back. Safety inspector found one possible violation and what followed was a scream fest with cussing on the floor. Suddenly a lot more violations were found.

    Edit: just in case there is any confusion. If you happen to be running a factory or a construction site the correct response to a a safety inspector telling you about a violation is “you are right, I am sorry, we will come up with a plan to make sure this isnt going to happen moving forward”. The incorrect response is pissing the hell out of the safety inspector. However, if you hate the place feel free to get your revenge.

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      Alternatively if you’re a worker you scream and make a big deal and the real issues get found.

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        lol yep, this describes my outlook as well. I can play the game, and I’m actually decent at it, but the game is absolutely, categorically awful, and it’d be great for humanity at large if we could all stop playing it.

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        Think of it as a win win. If a company you hate does well then you get consolation money. If it does badly then thats nice too.

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      Why? I think there’s a decent chance they don’t survive this - at least their commercial airplanes. I won’t fly on a Boeing any time soon, if ever. It will take years to get back to a safety culture and there are tons of shit planes manufactured in the past several years that will be in service for decades.

      If I was a pilot, I wouldn’t want to fly one either. They just had another incident where a pilot says the gauges went blank and he lost control. If a pilot union starts pushing back, it’s game over.

      Would you fly on one of their planes?

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      737 is a very unusual file permission. But IIRC it actually works as intended. The group that owns the file can’t read it but can write and execute, everyone else can. However I suspect you can probably figure out a way to drop the relevant group?

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    Are these facilities not regularly audited by a 3rd party to maintain their ISO certifications? The stuff mentioned in the article (key card feeler gauge…WTF!?) would/should have been caught in any routine audit.

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      They are audited by FAA “compliance officers” who conveniently are employees of the company they are auditing. No conflict of interest at all

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      Dude. Regulatory agencies are corrupt as heck. There’s no incentive to be a good auditor and actually dig deep to find issues and lots of incentive to have no findings. They’re all buddies with the management.

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      We get AS9100 audits routinely. Also, for sub-tiers, we get customer audits.

      The key card is fucking hilarious and I am going to give some friends some shit for that. But, no, every process isn’t fully audited constantly. Any employee in visual distance should have called that shit out, though. It’s not hard to get a feeler gauge stack or even a custom ground go/no go. Though would they know to check their feeler stack with a mic? Not likely if they think using a key card is reasonable.

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      I’ve used my badge before, but not for production processes. It’s more of a ‘damn that gap is big’ thing.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    A six-week audit by the Federal Aviation Administration of Boeing’s production of the 737 Max jet found dozens of problems throughout the manufacturing process at the plane maker and one of its key suppliers, according to a slide presentation reviewed by The New York Times.

    Last week, the agency announced that the audit had found “multiple instances” in which Boeing and the supplier, Spirit AeroSystems, failed to comply with quality-control requirements, though it did not provide specifics about the findings.

    Since the Alaska Airlines episode, Boeing has come under intense scrutiny over its quality-control practices, and the findings add to the body of evidence about manufacturing lapses at the company.

    At one point during the examination, the air-safety agency observed mechanics at Spirit using a hotel key card to check a door seal, according to a document that describes some of the findings.

    Asked about the appropriateness of using a hotel key card or Dawn soap in those situations, a spokesman for Spirit, Joe Buccino, said the company was “reviewing all identified nonconformities for corrective action.”

    The audit raised concerns about the Spirit technicians who carried out the work and found that the company “failed to determine the knowledge necessary for the operation of its processes.”


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    I viewed this – y2u.be/URoVKPVDKPU

    The vid showed that Boeing seemed to have questionable quality control. The focus was maximizing profit. Boeing outsourced the ✈'s parts to different firms but seemed to have a loose grasp on the whole thing. As the main firm, Boeing must have keenly supervised the crucial things. It’s a key part of quality control.

    Also, some knowledgeable Boeing folks left Boeing. Brain drain.

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    I would imagine you can find safety flaws in anything because safety isn’t a thing we can measure.