Apple Intelligence and two other features won't be available in the European Union when they launch later in 2024, due to interoperability rules in the DMA.
  • OsaErisXero@kbin.run
    1261·
    6 months ago

    Can’t imagine how this could be perceived as anything but retaliation for the EU daring to attempt to regulate Apple

    • Pechente@feddit.deEnglish
      27·
      6 months ago

      Yeah exactly. Remember when they wanted to kill PWAs in Europe blaming the DMA? They had to revert course eventually due to backlash.

      • dinckel@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        6 months ago

        It’s very easy for them to twist the history. Losing PWA would have really sucked. I use those quite extensively, even if they aren’t perfect

        • Pechente@feddit.deEnglish
          1·
          6 months ago

          Me too! I even develop some PWAs. It’s great for specialized stuff that doesn’t need to be on the AppStore.

    • RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      125·
      6 months ago

      Nah, it makes sense. Apple really likes their proprietary walled garden, so the interoperability requirements trouble them deeply.

      • AggressivelyPassive@feddit.deEnglish
        312·
        6 months ago

        No.

        Interoperability is only required, if you have a significant market share. Apple does not have this in the EU. iMessage specifically doesn’t fall under this regulation, since hardly anyone uses it.

        And since Apple plans to publish an SDK for their intelligence anyway, you can’t really regulate them for being too closed.

        So either that’s a purely political retaliation, or their “super privacy friendly” services aren’t as privacy friendly as they claim.

        • RecluseRamble@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          16·
          6 months ago

          Apple does have a significant market share of 25-30% in Europe. Just because they avoided having to open iMessage (for now) because everyone in Europe uses WhatsApp, doesn’t mean other Apple services are safe from regulation.

          But I’m with you - it’s more likely about (not so) privacy.

        • WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          123·
          6 months ago

          or their “super privacy friendly” services aren’t as privacy friendly as they claim.

          I would bet real currency it’s this one.

  • uzay@infosec.pubEnglish
    892·
    6 months ago

    Funny how companies believe they are punishing you by withholding AI crap nobody wants.

    • ByteJunk@lemmy.worldEnglish
      441·
      6 months ago

      Data privacy AND not having to deal with more bullshit AI? Oh my, how will we ever cope with this… /s

      • kate@lemmy.uhhoh.comEnglish
        6·
        6 months ago

        wasn’t the main point of apples ai that it runs on device? asking explicitly every time it might need to send data anywhere else seems fine

        • meliaesc@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
          2·
          6 months ago

          There’s apparently different tiers, where some stuff is done locally but anything slightly complex would require it go to apple’s servers.

          • kate@lemmy.uhhoh.comEnglish
            4·
            6 months ago

            yeah, i remember watching the announcement live, they said that in some cases it would prompt the user, like this

            (photo taken from apples announcement blog post)

            “anything slightly complex” is an overstatement though, it would ask for some specific LLM tasks, and the vast majority of what apple has built is not LLM or even generative. to me the most useful features are prioritising notifications for a semi-dnd mode and searching for objects in photos 🤷‍♀️

            • meliaesc@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
              2·
              6 months ago

              Read over it again, and there’s 3 tiers. Local, apple cloud, and then chatgpt. It won’t prompt for Apple cloud requests.

                • kolorafa@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  1·
                  6 months ago

                  They did say that their servers dont store anything and they do some cloud “verification” before sending any data to it, but in my opiniom they should have a setting/prompt/indication for that apple cloud part too, especially as you might be on mobile.

                  The include of chatgpt with the prompt is making it confusing and making the apple cloud less talked about …

  • Rentlar@lemmy.caEnglish
    731·
    6 months ago

    Apple’s may start being salty and blame everything on anti-trust from now on.

    Why were your beans cold this morning? EU’s DMA.

    Why did you get delayed to your event? EU’s DMA.

    Why did it rain on the one day you were planning to take a trip? EU’s DMA, of course.

  • themurphy@lemmy.mlEnglish
    401·
    6 months ago

    Who cares.

    If Apple don’t want to compete fair in the market, then others will.

    And no iPhone user will miss an AI feature. Most of them don’t even understand how to use 80% of the phones features anyway.

  • stebator@lemmy.worldEnglish
    101·
    6 months ago

    Apple is stepping on its own tail. The correct way to implement such features is to provide API to integrate any AI with their device, not only ChatGPT. And as an example, they should provide their own completely optional app for this, which could be downloaded from the App Store. This app should not be part of iOS at all. So EU regulators cannot do anything with it or it will be harder for them to figure out ways to restrict it. And users will worry less about privacy.

    • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      6 months ago

      It probably doesn’t need to be an optional app if they’re giving you the ability to use any model you want at the OS level integration.

      When you’re using the device for the first time show a screen and let them choose AI / provide their own local model.

      I wonder how listing things alphabetical would go given apple would keep them near the top.