Elon Musk-controlled satellite internet provider Starlink has told Brazil’s telecom regulator Anatel it will not comply with a court order to block social media platform X in the country until its local accounts are unfrozen.

Anatel confirmed the information to Reuters on Monday after its head Carlos Baigorri told Globo TV it had received a note from Starlink, which has more than 200,000 customers in Brazil, and passed it onto Brazil’s top court.

Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes last week ordered all telecom providers in the country to shut down X, which is also owned by billionaire Musk, for lacking a legal representative in Brazil.

The move also led to the freezing of Starlink’s bank accounts in Brazil. Starlink is a unit of Musk-led rocket company SpaceX. The billionaire responded to the account block by calling Moraes a “dictator.”

  • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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    3 months ago

    The comments here are weird TBH. No, Brazil will not start shooting down satellites. It can just simply outlaw and sanction Starlink, stop anyone from paying Starlink for their internet subscription, and have peeps go around and confiscate ground stations.

    Also, they can just go and ask the US to help enforce their ruling, telling them “do you want to be friends with us or Musky boi?”

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      That’s a really good point. Starlink can ignore this order, but the courts can order banks to stop processing payments to them. Pretty sure Starlink isn’t going to “protest” this at the cost of profits.

      Of rourse Starlink could then go be further shady by taking payments in Bitcoin to get around it. It’s an interesting arms race to follow.

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        Brazil is well within its rights to sanction Starlink and prosecute people for evading said sanctions, and have people pay fines and go to prison for buying Starlink with Bitcoin.

        Just like the US does with Iran and Cuba.

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            Because it’s very easy to track bitcoin?, that argument about bitcoin being untraceable is so funny, like it’s literally in bitcoin protocol to log every single transaction, and people need to convert money to bitcoin, easy to track there too

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              So tell me, where does the government link the person to the coin? I do a cash trade to buy Bitcoin, who logs it’s me and puts my name on the wallet for the government to track me down?

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                The exchange where you traded BTC for USD, which had to comply with AML and KYC laws in order to have access to the US banking system in the first place.

                Like, it’s theoretically possible to work with perfect operational security and never ever link your Bitcoin address to the real world, but doing so basically precludes you from doing anything in the real world with it, including buying crypto in the first place.

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                You need to pay a bank or something to trade your money to bitcoin, the bank only need to log what bitcoin it send to you or your wallet, the thing is, bitcoin isn’t anonymous it was never made to be, something like monero would be better, but you still need to trade your money for the crypto

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                  Anyone can send anyone with a wallet bitcoin. There are services that do anonymous trades, the feeds don’t look great.

                  Thing is, it doesn’t have to be bitcoin to be opaque to the banks, there are dozens of payment services that don’t clearly state the end provider. just doing paypal is enough to hide it from an occasional glance.

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            They need a dish to operate, check for dishes and fine people for breaking trading laws by dealing with a company that has been sanctioned.

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              Just because the dish exist doesn’t mean it’s still being used. You have to do a blanket ban on having the dish at all. And even then they’re kind of tiny and easy to camouflage. You’d probably have to make the enforcement penalty scary enough to dissuade them. Or pay neighbors to rat each other out

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      Unfortunately, the US is now fully reliant on SpaceX for access to space now that they decided to rely on corporate spacecraft rather than building our own and Boeing has proven themselves unreliable since that change was made, and now that they finally have a craft they ended up stranding astronauts on the space station until SpaceX can rescue them due to defects. Plus we can’t use Russia like we did after the shuttle program ended but corporate space travel wasn’t there yet. And SpaceX isn’t publicly traded to where it might be possible that enough investors could pressure Musk to cave.

      So I doubt anything will come of it. Brazil will rattle their sabers. Musk will stand his ground, and the US will stay on Musk’s side while pretending as much as possible to be staying out of it.

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        Haha, that sort of dependency can be just as dangerous for a company as it is for the state. You start fucking around like that and antitrust and defense production act start knocking.

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        Is there precedent for the US government just flat out nationalizing a company like SpaceX?

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        No 737 has ever leaked helium. So why did the Star liner leak helium? Why couldn’t it just pop an emergency exit hatch mid flight like standard procedure? Why? Why? So many questions!