Standup response, I hope Christian finds a promising career ahead of him.
If I’m being honest, I wouldn’t be nearly so kind to Reddit following his ordeal. Even if Reddit renegs on the API pricing completely and go back to making it free, the trust has already been sufficiently broken that I wouldn’t return. They won’t stop monetizing the site just because they lost some users and pissed off their developer partners. They’ll just be subtler, quieter the next time they try to screw you over.
Second chances are important, but there are limits to trust. Reddit slapped their users across the face today; despite any promise or apology they make in the meantime, there is no indication that they won’t do it again tomorrow to get what they want.
I agree, I don’t think they would just keep the API free forever, they’ve already said that Reddit is not profitable, and so they will continue to add more “features” to be more like tiktok.
Third party devs have said they don’t mind a reasonable API rate, but both the cost (~$20 million/year just for Apollo) and the timing (30 days to make the pricing changes, update the app, work out bugs, get Apple to approve it, etc) were just stupid.
It was done this way to kill the third party apps, period.- If Reddit didn’t insist on hosting all pics & videos themselves, they would probably already be profitable.
- If the API pricing was reasonable, users & third party devs would happily pay it.
- If Reddit had given more time (3-6 months) for third party devs to implement changes, then they could and would do so (assuming reasonable API price).
Apollo is the only iOS app I have bought lifetime for and continued tipping every couple months. I’ve been on Reddit since 2010 and just deleted my account this morning and I will never be back on the platform. The way Reddit leadership has defamed Christian is absolutely unacceptable and I refuse to give them any more data.
Can’t wait for his next project – Christian is a class act, and Apollo was the only thing keeping me on Reddit.
How can I follow Christian on this kbin platform? I’ve only just joined and don’t know my way around but I feel confident that if he lands on a platform he likes I will like it too so I want to follow after tomorrow.
You can follow his Madison (edit: Mastodon) account from kbin (yay federation!): @christianselig
The way that Christian and other developers were treated by reddit, their administrative team, and their CEO, is just abhorrent. There’s no justification to explain their behavior. It’s just so cold. To attack someone from a position of power for simply defending themselves, after attacking them for a mutually beneficial compromise, is just morally bankrupt behavior.
I don’t blame him (and others) for just wanting to stop the relationship with reddit. Even if they backpedaled, there would be no trust left.
Reddit relies almost exclusively on hobbyists and volunteers to both manage, moderate, and create content for the site. They’ve burned a lot of bridges with this stunt by blatantly giving the finger to a bunch of those hobbyists and volunteers.
I suspect reddit will survive as long as subreddits come back and won’t go dark indefinitely. Karmafarmers, reposters, actual OC content creators and bots need to delete themselves from that platform as well. Are majority of people going to do that? I seriously doubt that. Considering that majority of subreddits that have gone dark have decided to only do it for a few days speaks volumes what will happen next.
Follow his Mastodon account here: @christianselig
Christian has been the public face of this and therefore has borne the brunt of it. I can’t even imagine how frustrating it would be in his shoes.
I do also wish the best for the Android app devs.
I’m a “rif” user for over a decade, so a special shout-out for talklittle. (I hear he’s developing an app for Tildes, a link aggregator.)
As with many, I am also leaving reddit. I’m skeptical that the blackouts will make them change their ways and in some ways I hope they don’t and it ends up tanking reddit. I was a part of reddit for 13 years and enjoyed it a lot but it was definitely much better back then. Spez needs to lose big with all his bullshit lies and greed. With all the other sites available for people to switch over to, I think we can create another great community without all the bots and hopefully build a better community for all. Fuck u/spez
