- 🤔 Apple has shared why the power button on the Mac Mini M4 is hidden
- 🤏 It’s mainly because of the Mac Mini’s compact size
- 🤷♂️ But also because users apparently never use the power button on a Mac
- 👉 Apple also says the button can be accessed easily, even though it’s underneath
So Apple is basically like:
We are lazy
We know what you want better than you
You are wrongIsn’t that just the Apple philosophy?
They are like, “this computer uses basically no power while asleep and everyone just puts their computers to sleep anyway and this machine weighs 1.5lbs. It’s not a big deal.”
This is “you’re holding it wrong” all over again
Damn Lemmy, when did you all get so damn salty? In an Apple community no less.
Where have you been?
The Linux nerds crawl out of the woodwork to remind us at all times that it’s “better.”
i’m becoming a linux nerd and this power button thing would be fine for me bc ive discovered how good suspend is and never power off my desktop anymore anyway, just spend then bump the keyboard when i want it back.
I’m trying to be a Linux nerd, but my god is there so much research to do to figure out how to get it to work the same way my Mac does.
100%. I’m typing this comment on a M4 Mini that the original post is about, and it’s just so nice. And things work. And I don’t have to worry about it. I can move my mouse to the edge of the screen and connects to my iPad and I can control my iPad that way. It’s cool! And I didn’t have to read some ancient texts to figure it out.
Linux is not bad, and people who use it aren’t bad.
But that doesn’t mean they aren’t kinda annoying to hear all the time, saying “it’s so easy” when you have spent hours trying to figure out why something that feels like it should be simple doesn’t work. Or they say, “Oh, yeah you just have to run [some command in the terminal no one would ever guess] to make [your issue] work.”
I don’t think it’s lazy, Button placement seems neutral in that regard. No this is most likely form over function. They do this all the time. Remember the charge cable for the mouse? They don’t want the port seen, and they didn’t want their equipment to be seen plugged in. But people are willing to buy form over function for clout. What are you going to do?
I think the charge port on the mouse is still really silly but the button kinda makes sense to me. Its right there on the mainboard so its simple to manufacture and compact. Its a lot less likely to be accidentally pressed. These options are in trade off for it being a little bit harder to get to in the everyday. I also think apple expects a lot of these to be used as a HTPC and just never turn it off
Yeah, you become a trillion dollar company by being lazy and not knowing what people want!
I use 3 computers daily. Work. Desktop. And Mac mini. That Mac never needs rebooting. The laptop for work is shut off at night daily. The desktop pc if also often in overnight 🙈 Before you judge me, I offset by buying renewal power (water/solar). Point is. I really do rarely need to use the power button.
The power button is one of the biggest non stories this year.
Who doesn’t just put their computers to sleep 99% of the time?
My work computer yes, but I always shutdown my home computer when I am done with it.
With NVMe SSDs, computers boot fast enough that sleep mode doesn’t matter.
With current hardware the power draw at sleep is negligible, so power off doesn’t matter.
You can spin this argument both ways. And sleep is more convenient, so that’s what most people choose.
I don’t care if it draws 0.000001 watts when sleeping.
I power off all my devices when not in use.
Electronics components do not like to have power states change frequently. Turning devices on and off frequently will decrease lifespan of device. Sure, you are saving money on your electricity bill, but at some point, the savings and environmental impacts are outweighed by the cost of the device/parts and the impact during manufacturing.
Also, don’t forget phantom draws from the power supplier is a real thing, which will most likely exceed your 5 zeros threshold. So that microwave oven, and laundry dryer? Don’t forget to unplug those after each use.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the amount of power drawn overnight when a processor is in sleep mode ends up being less than the power it takes to boot the device.
Yeah. We came from a time of incandescent light bulbs taking 60W per bulb with fixtures needing 2-3 bulbs. Turning those off regularly mattered. The obsession people have with turning their modern electronics off in the name of power savings is silly if not outright insane.
My gaming pc is on a custom water loop, cpu and gpu. I don’t like leaving it on/asleep, when I’m done with it for the night. If it starts leaking while I’m there on the computer I’ll see or smell it. If it starts leaking while I’m asleep or at work, expensive components are fried.
I’ve been running a custom loop for 10 years at this point and have never once had a leak, bc I flow the loop without power to any components, and with paper towels under each fitting, for like 24 hours each time I change anything out. I’m still always paranoid that shit will just decide to leak on me one day though lol. Also I was having weird issues with wake from sleep and my kvm, to the point where I was having to reboot my pc when I’d sit down at it after work anyway, so why not just shut off and not deal with that frustration after work?
Either way it has nothing to do with power savings.
That may be the case. But it isn’t for 95% of people.
I don’t care about the power draw, I care about peace of mind.
I don’t want my computer running in the background constantly.
I get the convenience factor at work, but at home?
Nah, it is far nicer to have a fresh and ready computer rather than wake up to all your old crap that you have forgotten about.
I can’t remember where I watched it - but I saw some video a while ago now where (I think) the engineer was explaining that shutdown & power on does less of a cleanout than restart on Windows. Something to do with shutdown going through steps more similar to a sleep/suspend than restart. Made little sense to me but would be interesting to see if post restart or post power-on the computer was “fresher”
You are probably talking about fast startup, a stupid feature that I disable as soon as I can after installing Windows.
Fast startup is like a deep sleep state and causes way more issues than it would ever solve.
It is a feature that is looking for one specific problem to solve at the expense of long term stabillity and as an IT guy I hate it.
My new laptop doesn’t support S3 sleep, it can drain the battery from 100% to 0% in less than 16 hours while supposedly “sleeping”.
Sure. But it is not a Mac. A MacBook can be put to sleep with 100% and one week later wake up with 90% left.
Yeah my friend left his MacBook Pro at airport security and when he was reunited 3 weeks later it still had like 50% charge with him tracking it using Find My the whole time
Not for you, but it’s an issue if you’re using Mac Minis as unattended service devices that are hard mounted and will occasionally need to be reset by hand (think kiosks and AV systems in conference room).
Then, you open it up and lead two wires to the rack front panel where your new accessible power button is mounted
Wouldn’t you just pull the power cord at that point? If the device has become completely unmanageable such that it needs a power reset i’d be surprised if there’s much more harm that way than holding down the power button until it turns off.
Total lazy design a power button is just a small button and some wires it could be anywhere
Completely playing devils advocate here but by having it on the bottom isint it right there on the same plane of the main board therefore making it easier to manufacture by simply having smt components vs having manual wires routed elsewhere/long plastic stick power button running the entire height of the machine internally. Its may be lazy but could it also not be efficient?
Imo the way to resolve probably like 80% of the complaints for this would be just have the edge of the machine sit just high enough above whatever surface it is on by way of feet or a thicker base. Just enough be able to put a finger under there and press it. Not very unlike monitors and TVs have done for ages at this point
“Honestly, most people almost never use the power button a Mac,” one executive remarked.
Ford: Most people never open their hood so we put the lever under the back seat.
In the same train of thought, BMW and Tesla execs need to find courage and remove turn signals.
Seems like a non issue to me- the usb c placement on the mouse is way more annoying.
Charging port under the mouse is a non issue too, the battery lasts for weeks and even if you need to charge it in a pinch, you can plug it in for less than a minute and you’ll be good for a few hours.
It is however extremely good at making people talk about it, and that’s why they’ve been keeping it this way for 10 years
Yeah no. When that mouse dies in the middle of a project call, and you have to scramble to open your laptop lid to get to the track pad, and that flips your display layout while you’re sharing screen: no thanks, I’ll stick with any other mouse.
Lol, as if macOS would not warn you with way enough time prior death of the mouse…
I will too because it’s a garbage mouse for anybody who uses a computer for more than 30mins a day, but the position of the charging port has nothing to do with it in my opinion.
And yet the wireless keyboard charging port isn’t on the bottom of the keyboard, is it?
Because it has obvious room for it. The shape of the Magic Mouse doesn’t have any, and a hole at the front or back would look stupid.
Mac Minis are primarily used as home or small business servers. They get rebooted, but rarely turned off. It makes sense now that I know the button is accessible without lifting the Mac Mini.
🥰so cuuute!
I wonder if power buttons are a Windows thing? I recently switched to Linux on my desktop and have a MacBook as well. On the MacBook i’m not sure if i’ve ever used the power button - it just goes to sleep & I wake it up.
And on Linux the suspend is so good I don’t power off at all, but on Windows I always did so needed the power button all the time.
I’ve said it before on this; with this location, it’s much harder to accidently shut off your computer. The number of times I’ve accidently shut off my work laptop just by holding down the dock to plug in or unplug a cable is absurd…
There are tons of listing for cheap Mac’s on marketplace now. Even Mac studios. The mini M4 is a very good deal. Super happy with mine.
But also because users apparently never use the power button on a Mac
Because people who can afford a Mac can also afford the energy bill for having a computer running or standbying 24/7?
*scnr*
To be fair it’s power consumption is effectively zero at standby and only 4-5W at idle/light usage.
If you were worried about this amount of power usage you would be better off unplugging your microwave when not in use to avoid running the clock display
Yeah, the power draw argument really is the worst one of the bunch. Hell, I don’t shut down my gaming pc for the same reason, I’m not worried about my computer’s power draw while asleep.
My understanding is that M4 is very efficient, and I would imagine that its energy use on sleep is negligible.
And as for affordability, I think the M4 Mac mini is supposed to be a terrific deal, no? As long as you use the base specs.
Yep, from what I’ve seen the base model is actually great value, especially for an Apple product. But that value disappears very quickly if you want to boost any of the specs, because they still massively overcharge for upgrades.
You put it to sleep, the power draw is almost zero (really, my power meter can not measure it). It wakes up when you press a button on the keyboard or move the mouse. You really do not need the power button…
