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- technology@lemmy.world
- europe@feddit.org
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/22814154
It is the definitive moment to change instant messaging application. I have switched to the XMPP protocol with clients like Gajim or Profanity. There are also applications for smartphones.
Can we have the names in the headlines of which MPs keeps consistently putting this crap on the agenda multiple times every year for the last couple of decades?
I add my voice to this request. Cough up the names.
To clarify: eMail, web chats, gaming chats, Signal, Threema and so on are affected as well
Self-hosted Matrix is obviously unaffected.
You say this but Matrix is largely centralized so it would be easy to get the biggest node to comply. Servers are quite costly to run too which is a big problem.
Federated protocols are not centralized in principle. It might not scale to one user-one server (which probably even Lemmy can’t handle) but if you’re signing up for a central server, you’re doing it wrong™. Don’t do that. The nice thing about Matrix client is that it allows end to end encryption, including groups. So that greatly limits what Mallory can do in principle. As to servers being costly to run, given what documented Synapse requirements are, you’re looking at less than 5 EUR/month for a single server. Which can be shared among several users, obviously. This is in the same range as costs for a monthly VPN.
His point was the main Matrix.org server being way too prominent. In every given groupchat, chances are somebody is on this particular server. It is also the default for many clients.
Synapse boasts about 50,000 concurrent users on a node. Ejabberd has been tuned to 2,000,000 concurrent users which shows how efficient & scalable the setup can be. €5/mo is a lot for many folks.
Poor people (who still can afford the end devices and an Internet plan) can of course share the costs in a community, or use one of the many free servers, as long as they are aware of the tradeoffs. Beigers not being choosers, and all that.
You can also choose to use technologies that aren’t such resource hogs. The eventual consistency model of Matrix alone & storage costs causud many medium-sized operations to shut their doors. Distroot.org for instance had to move to XMPP to deal with costs—& I have personally seen others.
While storage is my main concern (my VPS is very limited in this regard), there is also the fact that you can very well end up with nasty materials stored on your server without a convenient way to delete it. Even if you don’t let strangers have accounts on your server.
Does XMPP have feature parity with Matrix? I presume that bridges exist?
I don’t think Startmail will be affected. Ofcourse using Gmail is free pass to your data. How will gaming chats be affected? Does the government have access already?
Does the government have access already?
Via a subpoena, yes. Or directly via the NSA’s PRISM program.
Self-hosted XMPP using OMEMO included? OMEMO are based on Signal, hence my question.
First I’d ever heard of OMEMO, thanks dude
Why are they still thinking they can justify this? People which do illegal stuff are just going to use old apps self-host or bypass it with another way.
The americans seem to have figured out how to get change in relation to health insurance. Perhaps people might consider taking a page from the french history books to get some change on this issue.
The same French of whom more than a third want an authoritarian strongman in power? Personally I would prefer to copy the handful of boring countries where people actually trust their leaders and so don’t feel they need to resort to bloody revolution at the drop of a hat.
Just watched a video of Low level: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRATnT577Aw
Although this is about the US this is EXACTLY the shit that will happen to this whole chat scanning BS
However they want to do it, it will undermine a key principle of democracy and a human right: the right to privacy and private communication.
Those damn Chinese and their censorship… oh wait
Some suggestions: Scan, Privacy, Control
They can’t scan chats that don’t exist. Time to make a switch, folks!
A switch to what? To nothing?
Self hosting Matrix comes to mind. With deployment automation it’s reasonably painless.
You are severally over-estimating the computer skills of the general population. Here is some data on that.
Thanks. It’s slightly worse than I thought. I’m kinda limited to communication with my small peer group, so I don’t notice that other user classes exist.
Signal would be the best choice, imho. Next best would be SimpleX for android or iOS. The desktop version is currently not great.
just don’t use whatsapp? problem solved!
#returntoemail
eMail is affected as well. There is no alternative. And mails are not private if not all participants use end to end encryption
Of course there are alternatives. That’s the cherry on top of this crap pile: only regular non tech folks are affected. Nerds and actual criminals will just run an xmpp or simplex server and not care about the legislation.
Stop fear mongering, of course there is alternatives
Email is unencrypted.
Not if you use pgp
Or Proton/Tuta.
It will not E2EE for you.
Then go tell that to all of your WhatsApp contacts, people won’t change apps.
Right attitude, wrong solution.
Email is very much not private
Protonmail is
Edit: At least it is if both the sender and recripient uses protonmail. Its open source so you could verify the client to make sure that the contents are encrypted. As for IP address and subject lines tho, that’s up to the Protonmail company to honor your privacy, and just hope they don’t betray you.
Protonmail is definitely more private than google or Microsoft, but you shouldn’t hold 100% trust in any provider. Ultimately your data is still on their hardware and they have control of it. Also, as others have pointed out, both sides need to be secure otherwise all that data is accessible on the other side.
You can mitigate it yourself a bit by hosting your own email server, but I highly recommend against that as its a massive headache to secure and basically every provider will reject your messages anyway.
protonmail is CIA https://encryp.ch/blog/disturbing-facts-about-protonmail/
besides the above, their open support for regime change in China is NOT something a Taiwanese company would do. I live in Taiwan and have worked here for over a decade. Executives here try to keep their head down and just make money. They do not champion any causes.
I have read that blog entry and some of its references. The evidence provided for this strong claim seems to be very weak. I would not judge anything based on the listed talking points. Now, knowthing is impossible and such services are sure in the interest of governments around the world. I also want to remind people on the Swiss Crypto AG which sold compromised analog encryption machines for decades.
That user also claims Signal and Matrix are CIA and refuses to provide sources for those claims
The body of the messages arguably are, but the metadata is not, and that includes the subject line and the sender & recipient addresses.