Isn’t every chinese company part of CCP
“all right Tencent, make a game where you play as Tank man defending the innocent at Tiannanmen Square please”
Yes.
Not a Chinese Military company. At least at this moment. If and when Xi decides that they want to use information gathered from Tencent for military purposes, they will. Nobody can or will stop him.
Sues. Lawyers do discovery. Tencent refuses. Court fines Tencent in contempt, rules in favor of the government. Tencent tries to bribe Trump with something.
I agree with the US DoD. The large Chinese corporations are owned by CCP members and former PLA officers. Contain them until the PRC implodes.
Not to mention I’m pretty sure all of their Chinese office buildings are literally in Military owned and operated land.
It would be like Google HQ being in the middle of a US military base.
EDIT: Although I do admit adjacent the Googleplex building there is a Department of Defense building like 10 minutes drive, near the airfield, but it’s probably there because NASA operates on the airfield.
So all veteran owned businesses in the US are extensions of the US military?
Like thats not a bad idea from an international perspective, there are plenty of folks who maintain connections and may or may not be at minimum an annoyance. Though I also feel like American culture is mercantile and independent enough that such risks are generally minimized, except from so called Christian companies those sons of bitches always have a secondary goal beyond profits.
Given the way things are going, the US will implode long before China does.
If the US goes China goes, the trade links are comparable to the late bronze age which ended when the trade links collapsed.
Every fucking Chinese company is required to be an arm of their government and provide them with any information they request. It’s not even a question, they are an arm of the Chinese government. They can get fucked
Same goes for US companies.
Have we learned nothing from Snowden?
Yeah it is similar, but not the same (at least not yet).
China is a one-party state, and the government has control over private enterprise. If you are a Chinese company, the PRC ultimately has control of it, and that means the Chinese military has access to anything you have access to, if they want it.
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
Edit: For people who think I mean “party” like US political parties: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
This is on a different level than anything Snowden released.
Snowden released the fact that the major internet companies in the US literally have full time CIA staff and locked rooms with servers
Why is this on a different level? Is it because they’re ASIANS?
That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.
In the PRC it’s only illegal to talk about it.
That Snowden releasing the facts and it being brought up in courts, state congress, and federal congress as well as national news all revolved around it being illegal in the USA.
Did it stop?
Did you ignore the part where it’s not illegal to talk about?
Yeah, the US is fucked, and there are some decent comparisons to China… But government control and oversight of business isn’t one of them.
In fact, it’s something that’s severely lacking in the US. We have the complete opposite problem.
The specific program Snowden revealed supposedly ended in 2015, it collected information such as who was calling who and for how long. The 9th Circuit actually ruled it clearly illegal in 2020 and Snowden made a Tweet about it in a relatively good mood.
This is the best news I’ve heard all day! Thanks.
The long and short of it is even leftie Americans have internalised American exceptionalism, even if they aren’t cognisant of it. And the right are, well… Racist and don’t want to admit it.
There’s no left in the USA, only liberals.
One government is actively committing genocide against subsets of their population I’d say it’s a pretty big fucking difference.
Yeah the US genocide of black Americans needs the earn them some serious sanctions, but it’s not relevant to this discussion.
Uht oh. Brace yourself for leftists. Prepare to be deemed genocide supporter nazi extraordinaire.
China is a one-party state
I wish you could realise how hilarious it is to read someone comparing the US and China on their number of political parties…
Oh? So you are saying that there are no functional difference between a federation of 50 states, each with individual (somewhat independent) local and state governments, and the authoritarian CCP?
When I say “China is a one-party state,” I’m not referring to political parties as we would understand them in the US (Democrat/Republican). I am referring to the actual structure of the government.
You might want to maybe educate yourself on what a “one-party state” means in this context before trying to make snarky comments.
You’re right, I’m sorry, I really should educate myself about the US beyond the 40+ years of propaganda I’ve had to endure and the absolutely constant, never ending stream of shit across all media I’m the grateful recipient of, thanks to the Internet™. But honestly, I’m kinda scared I’d actually die if I came to visit.
Meanwhile, my experience with China over the last ten years or so has left me regularly wondering, in the grand scheme of things, what the fucking difference is. You both are absolutely insane, from where I live.
But yes, I was totally cherry picking your message. I don’t disagree with you, to be clear. I’m just amused about your choice of epithet.
No worries… apologies if I was snippy.
And yeah, the US and China are both insane… Unfortunately for me, as an American, China seems to be the more stable one these days (and it’s only going to get worse starting 1/20).
What’s so hilarious about it?
I’m being slightly disingenuous by focusing on one expression in the entire message, granted.
But honestly, using “one party state” as an epiteth, like that’s what you want to focus on that’s badwrong about China? that’s amusing to me, reading this from Europe. YMMV.
There are several hundred political parties in China currently in office.
Cool. See number 1 on the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-party_state#Current_one-party_states
Cool, read how the Chinese government works. There are hundreds of parties within the cpc.
It’s a one party state in the sense you have to agree China needs to progress in order to hold office. Just like traitors can’t hold office in the US.
Both countries are acting in their own interests. Simple as that.
Imagine if that meant in the people’s best interest.
It’d be nice, wouldn’t it.
Yeah, if only in either of those two countries people were seeing measurable improvements in their lives, approved of their government, and had hope for the future…
China probably have more hope for the future than US right now.
Lol sue the us?
Money vs money, go for it
Here’s a list of websites China bans:
- YouTube
- Yahoo
- Wikipedia
- Marxists Internet Archive
- Fandom
- Netflix
- Zoom
- Blogspot
- Bing
- Twitch
- Roblox
- Steam Store
- Steam Community
- Spotify
- Messenger
- X
- Skype
- Tumblr
- SoundCloud
- Signal Private Messenger
- Dropbox
- Pornhub
- XVideos
- Medium
- Dailymotion
- BBC
- The New York Times
- Vimeo
- The Guardian
- SlideShare
- Discord
- DeviantArt
- The Washington Post
- Nico Video
- Archive.org (Internet Archive)
- Bloomberg
- Flickr
- Wretch
- HuffPost
- The Wall Street Journal
- DuckDuckGo
- Scratch
- Reuters
- NBC News -TIME
- Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC)
- Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC)
- Bandcamp
- Technorati
- Archive of Our Own
- Viber
- South China Morning Post
- Plurk
- The Economist
- ABC
- Voice of America
- Radio Free Asia
- NBC
- PBworks
- The Epoch Times
- The Epoch Times (Chinese edition)
- HBO
- WION
- Hong Kong Free Press
- Apple Daily
- TikTok
- ChatGPT
- Rockstar Games
- GitHub
- Hugging Face
- Flipkart
- Zomato
- Clubhouse
- Swiggy
- Truth Social
- National Weather Service
- Kanzhongguo (English)
- Kanzhongguo (Chinese)
- Microsoft Copilot
- Telegram
- Voice of America (Chinese)
- Teacher Li Is Not Your Teacher (by a famous anti-CCP Twitter poster)
I know this is not a complete list, but what about instances Lemmy? Would be very interesting to have conversations with Chinese behind the great Firewall!
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I came into this thread just to downvote their lies.
Yeah didn’t even get to number 7 on the list before hitting a Marxist resource. Uh oh…
Basically any site that they don’t have full control over/can’t buy favor from and has the ability to spread info they dislike, even if it’s something as simple as 2+2=4".
And if you’re looking for someone outside of China to blame for their internet shield, Cisco was responsible for helping them set it up.
And then Huawei allegedly stole Cisco’s IP? Ah, the irony
Xhamster slides in undetected…
That’s more freedom than Texas
National weather service???
(tin foil hat)
The government… They control the weather information… Satellites… Weather machines… Snorts cocaine we can’t trust them we need to trust our eyes…
I’m sorry but you know too much. Come with me.
Fuck, I’m saving this f9r future arguments. Love it!
Uh … why SCMP? Isn’t that a party-friendly newspaper anyway?
SCMP is critical of China, but they do soften the blow
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I can’t be the only who thought the list would be long am I?
The list is not entirely correct.
From china
Change it on wikipedia!
Ironically…
Fair point, but that means the ban should be coming from Department of Commerce, not the DoD.
Don’t try to come up with bullshit excuses about espionage.
“We’re banning these private-business Chinese websites because China bans our private-business websites and that’s anti-competitive”.
Low effort post
We should have done the same
Hard disagree, censorship is not welcome in a free society. I dislike a number of those sites and haven’t heard of most of the rest, but I wouldn’t ban a single one.
Good luck dealing with the current far-right inthe government in the US and soon in the EU countries though
Censoring the far-right doesn’t make it go away. It just pushes it underground where it becomes even more radical outside of the moderating influence of the mainstream.
The solution is not censorship, but to understand what is causing the rise in right wing radicalism and address the root cause.
That root cause is the total loss of faith institutions coupled with economic insecurity felt by the working class. When people are scared and angry, they will turn to those who give them simple solutions and an easy scapegoat. It’s a tale as old as time.
You can try and censor all you want, it won’t ultimately make a difference.
True, the far right has lost of lot of ground since musk took over twitter. Hanging Nazis was really a mistake post war. Giving them parlement seats is the best way to take power from them.
(Yes, this is how stupid you sound)
True, the far right has lost of lot of ground since musk took over twitter
we aren’t talking about some social media platform. we’re talking about a nation state censoring speech. these are two radically different things.
having said that, even on social media platforms with modern machine learning algorithms you can’t effectively censor. Look at how the far-right uses memes and secret symbols to communicate even through algorithms. for example the pepe the frog memes, the 88, the hand symbols, etc.
you can’t say “rape” on youtube or tiktok so people just use “grape” instead. the Chinese do similar things on their internet. censorship is always going to be a losing battle.
Hanging Nazis was really a mistake post war
executing people who committed war crimes and genocide versus a country censoring speech. again… two radically different things.
Giving them parlement [sic] seats is the best way to take power from them.
explain the connection between “giving” seats to Nazis (last I checked we had elections) in the current discussion about a country censoring speech.
(Yes, this is how stupid you sound)
you are free to spend your time on the internet saying anything you like. if making these weak appeal to ridicule comments makes you feel stronger, I support you
Censoring the far-right doesn’t make it go away. It just pushes it underground where it becomes even more radical outside of the moderating influence of the mainstream.
I beg to differ. The situation was MUCH better in this regard in Western Europe 15-20 years ago when being openly far-right would get you socially ostracized for the most part, and media didn’t routinely bring far-right mouthpieces on national TV.
That root cause is the total loss of faith institutions coupled with economic insecurity felt by the working class
I do agree with that though, that’s why I’m a commie who wants economic security for everyone (i.e. guaranteed employment and housing) and strong and trustworthy institutions (such as powerful, free and public healthcare and education and pensions, and the end of austerity)
I beg to differ. The situation was MUCH better in this regard in Western Europe 15-20 years ago when being openly far-right would get you socially ostracized for the most part, and media didn’t routinely bring far-right mouthpieces on national TV.
the question we need to ask is why was being right-wing socially unacceptable back then?
why is it OK for a politician like Trump to say “immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country” today whereas just 20 years ago that would immediately end a political career?
it’s not because we had more censorship.
the why is what we need to address. without economic security and legitimate institutions, we are lost.
censorship is not the solution and in fact it’s actively harmful. any mechanisms we create for a government to start censoring will inevitably be taken over by fascists when they come to power. and I think we only got a few years left at best
Yeah let’s follow China’s lead and become just like them! I support restricting political freedoms and a giant firewall and a social credit system too.
They are obviously the superior system and therefore we need to emulate them.
Of course it’s not a military company, it’s an espionage company.
See?? Totally different!
Normally, espionage can collaborate with other branches of government, apart from the military.
Next you’ll tell me all those cheap Chinese routers would allow our very telecommunications infrastructure to be hacked unless we’re using end-to-end encryption.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/12/27/chinese-hackers-telco-access-00196082
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You know, you can be critical of a government without using racist slurs against the people from that country. Not everyone from China is part of the CCP.
Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature, dude.
Oh but for some reason Floridaman is okay?
His racism was on full display, huh?
Touché
giving you the benefit of the doubt like maybe english isn’t your first language, that word is considered a pejorative/slur in all modern usage
It’s never been anything but.
the wikipedia article on it cites two instances where it didn’t seem to be wayy back at the word’s inception. but yeah hardly matters in the grand scheme
Naw, it was most commonly used as a term similar to “that chinese guy” which is easy to confuse with racism at a time period where people were generally racist towards the chinese, but the term itself is not racist. There were actual slurs back then they could use if they were about that.
My Grandmother said they always bought they’re vegetables growing up from the chinaman who rolled his cart through the alleyway behind their homes. It’s not a term of hate, but it’s easy to say hateful things alongside it.
The people going around loudly policing other people’s language do more harm to leftist causes than good.
How are you this dense?
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Yeah, okay.
Derogatory terms towards anyone will always get removed, have a good day.
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Oh my, the US military might have to change the name of the list to, “Foreign companies we’re blacklisting for classified reasons”. How terrible.
Discovery process, you say?
Which documents, you say?
What happened?
Shredded, you say?
How badly?
To bits, you say? Oh my my…
Lmao, poor little babies
The DoD will pay its fines 500#s at a time.
Cool, can we make the divest from American game studios now?
Thus proving that Tencent is either stupid or is insulting our intelligence.
almost as if it’s never been about security but about sinophobia
Lol
I respect the Chinese people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
I respect the American people, their modern advancements in science and technology, their industry, their customs, and their rich history and culture.
I do not respect a hostile dictatorship of corporate overlords that rules over them all, and if they were smart they would not, either.
Sure, fair stance, but also pure whataboutism.
I was kinda making a similar argument because of “if they were smart”. They are smart. Americans are smart too. But being smart doesn’t trivialize the very complicated problems with overthrowing a dictatorship/oligarchy, because neither government is currently democratic in practice — so voting will not work.
“Whataboutism” is a term used to feel righteous while completely ignoring your bias.
Admitting both contries are bad and then taking a clear stance between them is hypocritical at best.
“Whataboutism” is when you dismiss any bad of any one thing because there are other examples of bad things. In fact, you trying to deflect your bias as my bias is actually also whataboutism.
If you don’t have any logical excuse for the bad thing, then you should stop standing up for the bad thing.
Sure, but here it’s pretty much about the trade war between the two.
Neither side is just, and so seeing it as “China bad” is not a neutral outlook.
In the US-centric environment, standing up for neutrality is easy to confuse with standing up for China.
I wouldnt want to take a neutral stance here, if the USA is a 53 then China is a 87 on the badometer.
How do we stop the oligarchy ruling the USA without them ruining your life for going first?
Vote in 60 dem senators and they’ll overturn Citizens United, limiting political donations, and they’ll tax the rich.
Not really.
Dems are primarily sponsored by the rich and have to align with their interests. Out of two major US political parties, neither one is the party of the people.
HR 1 For The People Act - written by dems, passed by dems twice, blocked by Republicans.
Before that the dems wrote the campaign finance laws in 1995 and 2002 which were the core of the Citizens United Lawsuit in 2007 where SCOTUS voted with a partisan split to allow any sized contribution, even Hillary Clinton was a supporter of undoing Citizens United.
Even if the DNC isn’t your ideal peoples party, they are the party who can give you the option. Vote Dem.
They own and rule the dictatorship. It’s a dictatorship of the proletariat, wherein anyone can become a party member and participate. The US has a dictatorship of capital. How’s that working out again having a dozen billionaires writing your laws and controlling the entire executive branch?
No it’s a dictatorship by a small group that the rest of them are not in. It’s a dictatorship that demands the common people surrender all beliefs not sanctioned by the state, that demolishes holy sites, a dictatorship that forces minorities into labor camps. It’s a dictatorship that commits hostile takeovers of neighboring nations and allies itself with multiple other dictatorships.
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Holy sites are also rarely demolished, I’m assuming you’re talking about some of the tibetan pedo temples or something.
WTF are you on about?
Which part of that was confusing, or did you just want to break rule 3 for no reason?
China operates on the principle of peace. Not constant war.
ROFL!
So peaceful.
Fewer disputes over it’s lifetime than the US in the last four years. Congrats, thanks for proving my point.
China actually vetoed a UN Ceasefire resolution in Gaza in March, so much for peace.
Not to mention Chinese close friends and allies North Korea is constantly firing missiles into the ocean as a method of stick-waving at demilitarized Japan.
Honestly weird that you think Uighur Muslims all need to go to rehab and work long unpaid hours until they die. Not how a normal human with empathy thinks, generally.
The ceasefire resolution that didn’t free hostages held in Israel, enabled the IDF to indefinitely hold Gaza, and removed all self determination from gazans?
Yes, even the Arab nations did not want that resolution, China, during the same sessions, called for an unconditional ceasefire.
Lying about situations makes everything you have to say suspect.
To your second point, you admit the US is committing genocide in Gaza. Right? We’re blaming countries for things their military allies do now, so the US is genocidal, according to you.
To your third point less than 5% of the uighur population has ever been arrested, xinjiangs city council is mostly uighur Muslims, and no american gets to tell anthother country how to handle prisoners, given us prisons are worse than pretty much anywhere according to the UN, and the us arrests more minorities as a percentage of each minority population than China is claimed to have, much less the reality.
I’m sure those gazans are really enjoying all the extra freedoms they’ve had in the last 9 months. /sarcasm
tibetan pedo temples
dafuq did I just read
Have you never learned literally anything about Tibet? Check out the wikipedia sections for pre 1950s Tibet, or simply Google Tibet given the news stories about the dalai lama tonguing a kid on tv.
This dude just straight up snorts the Kool-Aid powder.
Because I don’t buy us propaganda? Are you okay little buddy?
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