I almost had a vomiting reflex. It is now pretty obvious that the whole thing was intended from the beginning to suck the small trump dick hard.
I never had tiktok and now have a superiority complex.
It was Trump’s efforts that led to it being banned in the first place
Correct, the whole thing was a long con so he could look like the big damn hero
Congrats! I saved you from being punched (by me).
Probably gonna deal two for flinching and everything.
Not really, US propaganda, so much as Trump propaganda.
Just about everything he’s done for the past decade has shown the interests of the two are mutually exclusive.
Trump is now the US President. It is now the case that “flattering the US” means “flattering Trump”. Sucks
Not really, US propaganda, so much as Trump propaganda.
Just a matter of time, when this is basically the same. Depending on your definition, it could already be the same…
Any TikTok user with any sense or self respect would immediately delete the app and abandon the platform
You think too much of the average brainrotter
That’s the neat part
many are and i have great respect for ‘em
That makes no sense on the face of it.
First of all the ban comes from the legislative, who made a law and the judiciary who decided it applied in this case.
Secondly the executive might ignore their duty to enforce rulings for a while, sure, but that’s not a long term solution, and not a big achievement.
Thirdly even Biden’s executive was not enforcing the ban, apparently fearing the optics. Now we have gone from Biden’s executive not enforcing the ban to Trump’s executive not enforcing the ban. So there was no effective change.
Tiktok is just doing some political maneuvers here. They were the ones denying access for the last 24h for the optics. Not out of respect for the court’s decision.
It’s literally just China destablizing the US, same as it’s been for years. It doesn’t have to make sense. Weeee 🙃
China or America just shooting itself in the foot with Trump?
Little of column A, little of column B. China’s going to throw fuel on the already burning fire wherever they can.
spot on
The US didn’t take action to block the app, Tiktok did. Maybe the government would have taken action eventually. It smells like a political plan, where someone at Tiktok agreed to block the app for 24 hours as a political favor.
I’m sure this has no connection with TikTok allegedly sponsoring Trump’s inauguration party…
Hasn’t even been sworn in yet, and they’re already sucking him off for doing nothing.
Jeffrey Yass, one of their larger investors, is an American and has spent millions lobbying to stop this. He is a Trump adjacent billionaire
The real threat isn’t China, it’s dictators from any part of the globe - whether that’s Xi, Putin, or Trump. Or all 3 of them, working together.
They’re now also censoring pro-Palestine content.
Oh gee. Why would they ever do that?! Tik tok promised me free speech!
It was so odd that they didnt mention him in their goodbye as he was the one who started that train a rolling
Also odd that they self banned, Biden explicitly said he wasn’t bothering to enforce.
So TikTok blocked themselves just to suck up to Trump.
they did mention him :/
this was the first message that came before the one in OP
OP meant that it’s odd they didn’t blame him for being the reason that a law banning the app was even considered, since he started that train rolling while he was in office.
nah i get it i was just adding more sad snark. thanx for adding clarity tho :3
If you think it’s bad now, look again in 4 years.
I’m particularly looking forward to “No no no no” playing over the top of a video of an ICE raid goon smashing a mother of three in the face with the butt of his rifle for trying to protect her kids, while that horrid robotic woman’s voice says “get out of America bitch”.
While usually i would say that you are completely insane if you write something so deranged, in this case you basically wrote down something that probably happened and will happen multiple other times. The tone is completely justified as well
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Tankies put this one together: china, your favourite little dictatorship, is helping out your most hated almost dictatorship? How is that possible. I thought china was a chad anti usa amd imperialism state. Or maybe theyre also imperalists and just jumped on trumps dick the moment they saw they could profit from it.
Careful with that strawman, breathe on it and it’ll fall over
“Tankies are biased towards China and against the US” isn’t a strawman, it’s part of the core definition of what makes someone a tankie. This is pretty valid criticism of a group with really inconsistently applied values (though it is, perhaps understandably, a little bit smug)
The word “tankie” itself is a thought terminating cliche that allows people to presuppose a complete understanding of another person’s worldview, without engaging in the nuance of their actual position.
It should come as no surprise that the term alone clears the bar for “strawmanning” in some people’s minds.
This is a ridiculous position to hold. Can you name me a single appellation that isn’t used to summarize those thus described? That’s kind of the point of using labels, to categorize things together by their common attribute(s). If we spent all of our time engaging with every single person to the point that we fully understood their perspective and worldview, not only would we never get anything done, we’d be utterly at the mercy of anyone who engages in bad faith.
I see this less as a dichotomy and more as a spectrum, with some labels being far more useful to civil discourse than others.
Not all discourse is intended to be (or even should be) civil, though. A hypothetical citizen of Strawmanslund who venerates Mao Zedong as a hero and visionary, who holds the position that his successes more than make up for his failures, is not a person I want to be laboring under the misapprehension that I could ever respect them.
That’s certainly your prerogative. Personally, I like to engage with as broad a selection of opinions as possible in an effort to avoid being propagandized. I try to not allow my respect, or lack thereof, for a conversational partner to allow me to retreat to a bubble of like-minded opinions. Only by engaging with a diverse range of opinions can I hope to arrive at a nuanced view of the world. Of course, you do need to be adept at recognizing when you’re engaged in bad-faith discussion.
One can listen critically to an argument without having to immediately make up one’s mind.
You shouldn’t use words you do not understand. You cannot present a strawman argument outside the context of a debate or argument.
Not everything is you disagree with is logically flawed. Sometimes things are untrue and logically consistent. Sometimes you’re just wrong. Sometimes the other guy is.
Actually, you can present the fallacy to anyone providing an undistributed middle syllogism, since they’ve “made an argument”. In the post, an undistributed middle is identifiable - “your most hated almost dictatorship”. This is almost certainly not the same even among tankies, so the user is putting forth an argument with poor logic from the get-go. You’re not actually educated about logic except by youtube videos from people using greek or roman figures as avatars, are you?
Right on, buddy! Logic nerds forever! Screw those “pathos” and “ethos” thingies, what possible use could they be? We, the high and mighty logicians, know that Logos is the only one that matters! Appeal to logos or appeal to death, amirite??
(Just to be clear here, this is a pretty nerdy website. If you’re going to pose an argument like this, you should make sure it’s sound before throwing down the “bruh do u even see how educated I am” gauntlet…)
This guy didn’t even consider the other dude’s post and jumped to made up pseudo-logic. This particular type of idiot is one of the worst on the internet. Their whole account is political concern trolling from a fencepost. You’re literally constantly trashing people in your comments too - usually without any examples or explanations. Truly the mark of someone who has no idea what they’re talking about, you have been attacking people for political takes across the spectrum without actually representing any ideas yourself.
If the word syllogism is too scary for you, just say so. It’s not a tough concept, you could self-educate in a week or two, but you’ve gone to being flippant about it with no substance. It’s clear you don’t have a real opinion you’ve thought through on the topic, so I have no idea what the point of this comment was.
Sigh. Yeah, my recent comments have been fairly zero-tolerance (I wonder what has prompted that) for some of the fashier positions you find on here. It’s something I’m working on, but if you check the context for most of those it’s usually some pretty heinous shit that I’m replying to. (tho like, several of my most recent comments are an exchange with a user just a few comments up that I was a dick to initially, and whom I do intend to apologize to as soon as I can find the right words to express it. What they said was quite profound, and even if I do think it’s misguided it does give me some hope that people can still hold to those ideals in the face of gestures broadly at everything)
Listen, I checked through your post history yesterday and took another dive just now, and a bunch stood out. Partly there’s the fact that you’ve got just as many aggro comments calling out centrists and other bullshit political positions as I’ve got (so maybe don’t throw too many stones here because we’re both living in the same big glass house and it’s really cold outside right now). Mainly though, there’s a whole lot more in there to *like. *
For example:
You play tombstone, a game I love. Your line, “You can’t change where or how you’re born, but you can change what instance you’re on with almost no impact to yourself.” made me genuinely laugh out loud when I read it two months ago, and I’ve gone on to paraphrase it at people since then. You’re comfortable with neo-pronouns, something that is extremely important to me (even if I do have one hell of a time remembering them). You’re passionate about the topics you’re aware of, and do not shy away from negative backlash for presenting correct but unpopular opinions, especially when you feel you’re morally correct. With complete sincerity, I’m quite sure we’d get along very well under just about any other circumstance, and it’s a shame you’re not more active because you add a great deal to the community already.
And with all that said, and with my complete understanding of why you feel this way, you should really let go of the drive to hold casual comments to high logical standards. This is not the Forum Magnum, I am not wearing a toga (and I’m willing to bet you aren’t either, but I fully accept I could be wrong and no judgement if you are), and appeals to pathos or ethos rarely hold to the standards of reasoned debate. It will add very little to a venting comment to point these things out, and if the context in which you present a point like that isn’t the same for all participants, you’ll just be getting frustrated as other people point out they don’t really care, or that you’re assuming the context to be something other than it is (like happened here).
(Also, it’s really just not a good look to attack someone with an appeal to accomplishment, especially as more and more educators pivot to presenting material via youtube. Most of my students agree that they wouldn’t be able pass my program if it weren’t for Indian CS instructors on youtube, for example. Interestingly, an informal internal survey we did found that CS students had the least difficulty parsing thick accents of any student grouping. I can’t prove the two things are related, but man is it a juicy correlation…)
I only just now realize I’ve misread Outer Wilds as Outer Worlds. Both amazing games, but very different in scope and tone.
Anyone else think it’s oddly convenient how this happens just after Rednote jumps in popularity?
It’s clearly pro-Trump propaganda, but I also can’t help but think there’s more than one motivation going on here. People are jumping to another platform, time to remind them that TikTok is still here! Can’t risk pulling an Elon and losing all those users to an alternative.
But I’m just thinking out loud here. I don’t use TikTok or Rednote, so I don’t know how well they compare. Thoughts?
I think China doesn’t want tiktok users to spread to rednote since they have a large domestic userbase already there, they don’t want influenced americans influencing the chinese population creating influenception.
You’re mistaken. Rednote updated allowing for EN->Mandarin translation for chinese native users and made the settings menu appear in english for english speaking users. The rumors you’ve heard about rednote bifurcating (like Douyin and TikTok) are only rumors.
It amazes me that people will form whole opinions like this with no effort, no personal investigation. You can literally use a vpn to browse it if you’re worried about your data, but I’m willing to bet that you have a marketing machine in your house that you welcomed with open arms. A majority of users on every social media have already had their data sold to every conceivable database, or are young enough that they don’t realize how many datapoints they’re making with their electronic footprint. Think about how likely it is that using a chinese app would actually affect you in any way - we’ve known for years now that health insurance and healthcare companies in the US that aren’t covered by the narrow scope of HIPAA are selling our information, but you’re worried about vine and instagram with storefronts included? Do you even know about marvel SNAP?
I’m completely out of the loop, for I have a flip phone that can’t even get on lemmy nor tiktok as its browser is outdated, so I’m on a pc. I appreciate the bleak outlook on what’s going on though. Just yesterday, a co worker was having a problem logging into her workplace account, I told her that in order to type in capital letters she has to hold down shift for her username. She got upset and said why can’t this be like a smart phone.
It’s over. I accept defeat.
also you’d be amazed how many people use their phones over a pc these days.
This is so transparent… Trump isn’t even president yet, there’s nothing he could have done… The whole shut down and return is a stunt to make Trump look like a hero
Yes, the shutdown was a stunt.
I mean Google Play did disable downloading it with a freeze warning about the ongoing issue.
Sucking up to Trump is exactly what any company would do right now if they want to ensure further existence and business. Musk and Zuck flipped even faster.
tbh I don’t think it would have been that much different under Biden because he did say he wasn’t interested in enforcing the ban which means he was also probably trying to negotiate TikTok to give partial ownership to someone in the USA. Either that or he lied for optics which is also nothing new lol.
