She is her own person and has to live with the consequences of her choices like everybody else. It’s all in the past now and just a footnote in history.
Honestly this behavior is going to keep getting highlighted from Biden because he was an absolute stubborn idiot. He had polling showing him losing to Trump with over 400 electoral votes for MONTHS before dropping out. He blamed his family for staying in as long as he did, obviously it was him or what was left of him.
History will not look kindly on Biden for fucking over his one job of stopping Trump. Didn’t arrest him, didn’t defeat him, didn’t stop most of the Jan 6 protestors, didn’t go after the enablers of his actions, didn’t really stop anything Trump did to avoid debt and jail and we ended up with him for Round 2, Even Worse This Time.
He blamed his family for staying in as long as he did
Real ted cruz moment, that.
I am wondering if the mods of news@lemmy.world and politics@lemmy.world regret censoring the people who rightfully said these things and it would cost us the election. Like there’s mods in here who go “yeah that sucks, I knew it.” but also just defended Biden/Harris and removed good faith users who posted citations that even their beloved Media Bias Bot said was a good source.
They did it, banned the people who said it, and then people went “where are all those critics now? i guess putin turned them off! hurr hurr haw haw!”
Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to their website and the country as a whole.
Sounds like an excuse. She could’ve had a different stance but didn’t. Because she’s the same thing. She was asked point blank how she’s any different than Biden and she couldn’t answer.
Harris couldn’t answer basic policy questions when she was running for president in 2020 either.
she’s setting up for 2028. assuming we have elections
After an L like this, I don’t think Harris makes it to the 2nd primary debate
His legacy is in the toilet so congratulations advisors.
I feel like blaming her loss on others takes away her agency. Seems sexist to me. We dont reassign blame like this with male failed candidates, but with Hillary and Harris everyone wants to paint them as purely victims.
They were both extremely bad candidates who should not have been in a position to run. If the party had been allowed to speak they would not have been allowed to run.
They weren’t really candidates that failed on their own merits, they were set up to fail by being put into a position they should never have been in.
Neither Hillary nor Kamala could have won a primary that wasn’t rigged in their favor. Since they didn’t get to their position as candidate based on their own merits, it’s reasonable to describe their failure in similar terms.
That said, there is such a thing as more than 100% blame, and this is a situation where A lot of people have a lot of blame. Those two women are 100% responsible for the stupid decisions they made. No one can take that failure away from them, but because of the nature of the mistake, there were a lot more people who should also be blamed and similarly excommunicated from politics.
There are elements of sexism here, but that’s just endemic to politics. They didn’t fail because of sexism, they got to where they were because of it and were set up to fail by it, but there are a lot of problems here beyond and before sexism.
It’s ridiculous to think that Harris couldn’t have done what she wanted. Once you’re named the nominee, that’s it. They’re not going to back out.
If she was unwilling to break from him because of his wishes, even if she was theoretically able, that speaks volumes about her as a leader.
If she runs again, we lose again.
The problem was her campaign was largely run by Biden’s people. He clearly was interfering with her campaign and she kept trying to make the most of it.
Did she ever say that publicly? No. So she did not make the most of it.
I mean, that was the line from centrists anytime someone wanted any hope from harris that she might be less of a lapdog for netanyahu than biden was.
Let’s blame Joe so Kamala can run again.
Not fooling me, DNC. I smell what you’re cooking.
I want to tell myself that there’s no way in hell they would let this happen, let alone make it happen.
Then I remember it’s the DNC.
It’s not like they colluded to kneecap Bernie’s campaign. Wait…
Twice.
Kamala or Buttigeig, you can bet on it.
Seriously, go to Vegas. At least you’ll make money on the end of the world.
I’d bet they’ll try to run Blinken or Shapiro. Harris cant bring in campaign donations, and donations are all the DNC cares about.
Buttigeig is likely going to run given that he is giving up his chance at a Senate seat.
I feel like Walz is going to run as well. He’s been showing up in national media a lot and seems to be becoming the face of the opposition.
Newsom seems like he’s going to run as well, but he’s been making terrible choices recently.
Yeah, Walz refuses to announce (like they always do) but you don’t make the amount of noise he is without gearing up for something. I don’t think there’s any way he doesn’t run, and currently he might even be my favorite of those that I’m confident will run. We’ve got a while before the next presidential election though, so anything could happen and I can’t really be bothered thinking about.
Newsom seems like he’s going to run as well, but he’s been making terrible choices recently.
Yeah, he’s trying to become the preordained nominee by making choices party leadership likes.
This guy gets it. Speaking as a Californian, this is exactly, precisely what’s happening. I don’t use this term a lot because it resurfaces trauma of not realizing I was posting in a thread on Hexbear, but Newsom is straight up the textbook definition of a shitlib. He’s always kinda been a shitlib, with a ratio of one kinda okay decision to like four disappointing, mediocre, and shitty decisions that make the wealthy and corporate donors happy. Now that he sees a path to the presidency laid bare, he’s fully embracing his shitlib instincts. Please, for the love of Buddha, don’t vote for him in the primary.
Please, for the love of Buddha, don’t vote for him in the primary.
As though primary votes matter. The party successfully argued in court that they don’t.
She’s free to run again, but this time she has to win the primary. And that’s unlikely. It’s rare in modern times for someone to lose a Presidential election and get another shot at it, Nixon and Trump are the only two in over a hundred years.
You seem to forget what they did to sanders. If they want a specific candidate they will make sure they win.
Also Adlai Stevenson in the 50s although he lost both times.
Same reaction here, and the DNC is just dumb enough to do it.
Well, there probably won’t be any more elections, so there’s that.
Yeah, I bet we won’t even have mid terms in 2 years
WDYM “let”? What was he gonna do? Sniff her?
He probably said something vague about decorum.
If you run into Biden can you let him know I decorumed his mom last night?
If anyone wants some good rage material, watch the Pod Save America interview with Harris staffers
She was elected, not appointed. She could say and do what she wanted and theres not much Biden could have done about it.
To be honest, this is just a signal that she probably wouldn’t have been a good leader. Better than Trump, sure, but that bar is so low it’s a tripping hazard.
She should have told Biden to pound sand after locking up the nomination.
But we should verify the claim before passing judgement.
Honestly, her campaign already signaled that. This, if true, just reinforces it. It also reinforces that Biden was a bad leader, which he was.
Obligatory: I voted for Harris and Biden and dems down ticket every election since I’ve been old enough to vote.
Obligatory: I voted for Harris and Biden and dems down ticket every election since I’ve been old enough to vote.
Man I am getting sick of needing to say this ahead of time/to anyone who goes “well if you criticized our candidates of their serious and actual issues, you must be a Republican!”
I’m still content that I left my vote for president blank. No to all genociders regardless of party-- no exceptions. Maybe the DNC will learn not to ever try that nonsense in an election again if they know they can’t possibly win doing it. Or maybe this country will tear itself apart, but if the price of keeping it together is engaging in the mass murder of innocents, then this system of government will have to end and restart in some different form.
Definitely. And as soon as you say something leftist you’re accused of not voting or “throwing away your vote” so you can’t complain. Like, I get it. “Have the day you voted for” etc, but libs are pointing fingers at the wrong people. I’ve said it like a million times before, but sooo many of my leftist friends reluctantly voted Kamala when they were vehemently opposed to her stance on Palestine and now feel like they sold out for nothing. Like, at least if they hadn’t voted they could say they stood for something. Now they don’t even have a high horse to ride into the apocalypse on. The way libs will break your spirit is wild. They have more energy to fight leftists than republicans.
Blaming Biden makes sense. Blame the problems on the actual person in charge. Harris wasn’t in charge, she should’ve let Biden take all of the failures of the term, regardless of her position at the time
No democrat president has been “in charge” in 50+ years.
The owners of the DNC have been in charge.
If I was kamala I would have slammed joe. For the good of the country, of course.
I think the best move would have been a substantial but firm and respectful break was the way to go forward.
If Kamala pushes back too hard against Joe, the establishment will question whether she grateful for his support and the opportunity he provided.
As far as I’m aware, Biden controlled most of the campaign money at least initially. either way it’s still a pretty weak excuse for Harris.
Biden really fucked us in so many ways though, I’m happy to blame him for losing the election as well. I mean he was the one who thought gaslighting us about the economy was a winning move, he put Harris in a terrible position to begin with. Not to mention deciding to run again in the first place, appointing a Trump collaborator as AF, refusing to exercise his power, etc etc
The way democrats talk: “We’re turning the page and letting the daylight in!”
The way democrats act with a majority: “We couldn’t get any daylight this time, but we did pass these bipartisan flashlights which are known to explode occasionally due to republicans demanding amendments be added to the batteries.”
“We’ve also means tested the flashlights, so those who recall the time before the great darkness get less of the flashlights, and anyone who has flashlights that explode will be required to have a daily check of their pupils to ensure they’ve been good at not looking at the daylight.”
Suddenly her campaign choices make a lot more sense…
Honestly, I kinda don’t buy the idea Biden controlled Harris. Biden could have in 2008, but not in 2024. We all saw his term. He could be great, but when he slowed and floundered, it hampered his goals.
I’m torn between:
“I don’t think an adult woman would instantly bind herself to an old man, she can have bad ideas on her own.”
“I don’t think she had everything planned out, she took advice from those around her, and the advice was shit but it’s hard to get anything from outside this POV without getting even worse feedback.”
But either way, I’m kind of glad that parts of the DNC is admitting fault after royally fucking up a second time and giving us Trump again. But I was also told they learned mistakes from 2016, and clearly they didn’t, and must have fired everyone who did.
I wish Harris won merely as a stop-gap who is younger and more coherent, maybe could have gotten someone better next primary. Would have been messy and I would prefer anyone else, but not as bad. But it wouldn’t have stopped the fascist uprising we’re having, just keeping the cyst growing until it popped. If Biden didn’t get Trump arrested, I doubt Harris would have, despite her history.
we’re never going to see an end to the risk of fascism until we end capitalism, and it’s as simple as that.
money is power, and if corporations and individuals can hoard wealth infinitely, it’s only a matter of time until enough of that wealth is accumulated in few enough hands for those few to use their wealth to take control of the state
I wish she had won too. Didn’t really like her but she was miles ahead of trump. I don’t think you should be torn between the two, I think it was both. She listened to some very bad advice and believed the information she had at hand.
I can believe this. She seemed frustrated when she spoke about the Palestine situation, and I picked up a strong subject that she wanted to say more about her objections over Israel’s actions than she did.
Yeah, but that didnt bode well for her as a president…
She was the candidate, crowned with zero primary weeks before the election, with zero threat of being replaced.
But she stuck line by line to what Bidens team said
Buden’s team that was Hillary’s team, and before that Bill’s team.
Kamala would have been an empty suit for the same neoliberal machine and she would have appointed the DNC chair back to that faction so they could influence the primary in four years.
If Kamala literally had to say exactly what her advisors said when she was literally irreplaceable, she would have been a president in name only.
Don’t get me wrong, I held my nose and voted D like always, but I knew she was fucking it up, and long term that might have been for the best.
Tim Walz came out swinging, and they instantly sidelined him.
That alone was enough to say that the campaign was fucked.
Quick, hide Tim Walz, he’s too popular with voters!
-Neoliberals apparently
I still want Ken Martin to publicly commit to ending the Victory Fund bullshit tho.
“She was the candidate, crowned with zero primary weeks before the election, with zero threat of being replaced.”
No primary? There was a primary. Biden/Harris won that primary election as Phillips dropped out fairly early. What do you mean by “no primary”
Had Biden died on the campaign trail Harris would have been instantly the candidate. The situation with him stepping aside isn’t really any different. There was a primary and Biden/Harris won that primary.
No primary? There was a primary
And the state who literally has a law that they go first had their delegates stripped for not violating their own state law…
That’s how the “primary” started.
I don’t think I need to give any other examples after that.
The situation with him stepping aside isn’t really any different.
It’s different because DNC leaders, Bidens campaign team, his current admin, and various media organizations (owned by billionaire conservatives) colluded to hide Biden’s mental decline literally since he assumed office and all the way up to the last possible second
The neoliberals really did a weekend at Bernie’s and no one with the power to stop it gave a fuck because he had a D by his name.
That is how Republicans became president.
Quick edit:
Seriously, the same people we know lied about Biden and used an elderly mentally unwell person as their puppet were still going to be calling the same shit
How is that any different than what Reagan was?
I can almost accept some people don’t want them to face criminal charges, but you think giving them the country again would be better?
Kamala was somewhat of a Zionist, but not enough to justify Israel’s bombings. Because she wants a two-state solution, and if she had been president, she would probably criticize Netanyahu for his actions damaging Israel.
A strategy to avoid AIPAC considering you a threat.
I don’t know if I can buy that when the DNC refused to let anyone with even a hint of background from the middle east get a platform, and when a protest at a speech happened, she said “I am speaking.” Not listening, speaking.
