Researchers have predicted the collapse of the AMOC could happen any time between 2025 and 2095 — far sooner than previous predictions, although not all scientists are convinced.
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What if…
I’m so tired of living in a world of impending doom. This is hell.
The phrase “may you live in interesting times” is a curse.
“Despite being so common in English as to be known as the “Chinese curse”, the saying is apocryphal, and no actual Chinese source has ever been produced.” - Wikipedia
Oh is this a thing? The phrase has been on my mind lately and I’m like no, it’s a fucking curse. Thanks for the trivia!!
The whole point of that phrase is that it’s a curse.
Thanks for the info! I’ve only ever heard it said in a positive way.
“Exciting times, kiddo”
And they know how to fucking fix it but don’t want to
It’d be like if in the movie Armageddon the government just said “Eh let’s see if it really will be that bad if it hits us”
So Don’t Look Up.
That movie felt way too real watching it.
Yes but without the part where they tried
We haven’t gotten to that point yet
Without some sort of violent revolution, we won’t, or time runs out but it’s not a movie and there’s no ship to another planet.
Great. That’s exactly what we need now - more violence
Revolutions take over where reason stops. The people in power have the means to do the right thing, but sometimes they look out for a few people and will destroy thousands. That’s not a good option, as people get more desperate
If there’s ever a time when it’s justified, it’s when our very existence is at stake.
This is because you’re not sorting your recycling!
“We could do something about the asteroid, but think of the harm doing something could do to the shareholders!?”
I was going to save humanity but I have a responsibility to a handful of shareholders that yell at me in meetings so… You can really see how hard this is for me
It’s actually kind of too late now.
But, we may be able to prevent more bad stuff happening if we change things today!
IDK, I mean we know it’s to do with carbon but we don’t really know how to stop producing that in a timely manner.
Yes we do. Carbon tax.
Carbon is causing global warming. We know how to fix global warming because we are causing it, we just have to stop doing it.
This article is about global cooling which is bizarre and not something we expected would be happening. We haven’t got a clue why it’s doing that. It maybe natural, or it maybe it’s something we’ve done in a complicated way, but we don’t know so we don’t know how to fix it.
If this is just an ice age why may as well burn all the coal now to try and stave it off.
Although in reality I think this needs a lot more research before we do anything because this announcement makes no sense within our current understanding of the environmental science.
Umm, no. Go read it again.
Global warming shuts off the current, so the warm air doesn’t shuttle north, causing local cooling, not global
Good news! Soon the doom won’t be impending!
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Have you tried being absurdly wealthy?
I haven’t myself, but I hear it makes it all worth it.
It’s on my to-do list.
I just long for a time when the conspiracy theorists are yelling about the end of the world and the scientists are running the country, not the other way around.
The doom depends on where you live. Florida? Yup, probably, but you where already living in hell. Europe? Iced up North Sea, really snowy north, big ice caps, Spain and portugal getting more cool…doesn’t sound that bad, to me personally.
What? I moved to the nordics so that I’d be living in a tropical paradise soon, now there’s going to be more snow?
Michigan’s Upper Peninsula is one of the places least likely to be affected by climate change, based on current models. In the US anyway.
Mostly florida, as the “AMOC” transports the heat away from florida. Could very well be, that a stoppage of the AMOC would create a Hypercane and completely wreck everything in Florida. Cuba could also be absolutely done for. Canada would also probably have a LOT more snow - the Soutpole however would probably stop existing and what exactly is going to happen to Brazil is a complete unknown. Some simulations show the insta death of the rest of the rain forest. Some simulations actually show the opposite. However, Europe, Africa and Asia probably would see a lot lower temps - what exactly that would mean for the Climate in those areas is also highly speculative - however, it’s something that happened quite often throughout the history of earth. North America however has lots of other parts liveable, when Florida is “dead” and basically the Sahara.
Happened quite often in the past…over the course of thousands of years. Man-made global warming is a very different animal.
No, the collapse of the AMOC was pretty rapid in the past as well. And it’s separate from climate change. Man-made global warming is very complex and there are various things contributing to it.
Clearly a coincidence.
You are the first person I’ve seen recognize the legitimate fear that these climate issues could result in hypercanes.
Hurricanes of a size and fury as to not be measurable on current scale, Whose devastation could stretch across half a continent.
Whose devastation could stretch across half a continent.
Thats one way to stop carbon emissions!
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TL;DR: New statistical model suggests that the AMOC (including gulf stream) could collapse to the much slower pattern by 2025 to 2095. This is a century earlier than previous predictions and the researchers were concerned. There is some questions on the accuracy of the model used, and that needs more research.
Personally I don’t think we should wait for further testing to vet the model before acting. Try to do better now.
It’s kind of important whether it’s 2095 (prepare for it, set up nuclear, reduce carbon emissions) or 2025 (fuck global warming, we need fuel and we need it now, the more carbon emitted the better).
Local cooling still global warming overall.
The collapse of the current in the model is a direct result of global warming. The solution is to act like climate change is an emergency because it is.
That’s true if it’s closer to 2095. If it’s closer to 2025, there’s fuck all we can do to stop it, and so we need to do what’s best to survive it, which is not the same as what’s best to prevent it.
Scientists shouldn’t talk about the chances of not if something is sure enough. Politicians will latch onto that. Just make broad statements and go. Just like with the movie ‘Don’t look up’.
Not really - the AMOC collaps between 2025 and 2095 was already in a 2005 paper. Nothing really “new”, IMHO.
We could try to vote people who will take action OR incentivize consumers to be more proactive BUT. Neither is ever going to happen.
I was having dinner with my brother’s family and we were watching an interview with some celebrity that my sister-in-law adores. Dude is heavy in green activism and lists fast food places which are bad actors for climate and also farmers rights, etc. So my SiL announces we are never eating at such and such place again (I can’t remember, I never eat fast food anyway). The very next night they order takeout from said fast food place. They also always order same day deliver from Amazon despite it never actually arriving same day, but they get packages every damn day. Tons and tons of packaging for crap they always throw out or give away to neighbors eventually. This isn’t unique to them.
This is MOST of America and I suspect the rest of the developed world. We are effed.
cant elect people in america who would do anything, when we’re busy trying to fend off full blown fourth reichdom by electing the least awful candidate each election.
I posted this twice now.
But carbon taxes, externality corrections, cost of recycling plastic is in the cost of the product. Let the market fix it all. But no, people won’t even agree to raise taxes on fuel
Goodbye Iceland my old friend.
Why is everything so fucked and we don’t have any agency in changing it
Carbon tax would go a long long long way. It would just have to be more severe than any politician would be willing to go.
We have the answers and economists and scientists know what needs to be done it’s just the politicians (and people) won’t allow it.
This is giving me an existential crisis
Maybe I don’t get it, but as far as I understand, the golf stream brings hot air to north Europe. This is why you can live on Iceland while at the same latitude on the center of Canada is unhabitable.
I’m afraid that for a place like Iceland this does not mean warm and sunny, but more extremes in weather.
The number of extreme storms are increasing :
https://www.vedur.is/um-vi/frettir/456-vidvaranir-gefnar-ut-arid-2022
More bad news great
Do you have anything else about the gulf stream that would be Iceland specific, I want to do graduate school there but this makes me question that
Well that’s pretty scary… I mean, at least the scientists say that it’s more likely the current will just slow down rather than completely collapse? But then again, all the climate change models predicted a much more conservative timeline on when we would be experiencing the effects of climate change than what is actually happening in the real world now… so idk, scary shit man ☹️
they also have admitted to only announcing the most optimistic results because nobody would believe them if they didn’t, and if people did it would be devastating
Ugh, and of course because of that people have been dragging their feet on making necessary changes to the point of doing basically nothing anyway… I feel like the risk of people saying it’s too extreme maybe would have been worth instilling a sense of panic in people over climate change? Feels panic worthy to me
We have become so politically correct that giving people upsetting thought may actually kill us all.
That was dumb of them. Enough people would believe to make make actual changes. To move earth and societies. Now what do we got? Too many people that don’t believe because they tried to make people believe. I think that all continues to be a massive mistake. Just know that most people aren’t that smart and you can convince a lot of them. Be not scary enough and those same not smart people will work against you with their emotion based reasoning.
are you joking, basically all of modern society has a vested interest in people not believing it.
If how conservative they’ve been in the past is any indication, this is going to happen next monday
Yeah, for real though considering they are saying it could happen anywhere from 2025 (wtaf) to 2095 (lol)
thank you
I made a poster about this for an assignment when I was primary school, like 18 years ago. Ffs
We should have listened, but your poster was washed from the main stream media!
Title gore.
As long as we finally get colder weather and snow in Germany again, I’m all for it. No, not really because it’s horrible but I try to see the positive things.
You might like the weather but you’ll have some issues with an utterly collapsed food chain
If anyone wants to read more about AMOC, here is a description from NASA along with the NASA illustration that was in the article:
BRIEF: As the ocean warms and land ice melts, ocean circulation — the movement of heat around the planet by currents — could be impacted. Research with NASA satellites and other data is currently underway to learn more.
Edit: climate.nasa.gov is fantastic for this kind of stuff, btw. They have tons of data from their satellites you can download, visualizations, videos, charts, graphics, tutorials…just all sorts of things. It’s very cool.
did we see this movie already?
Let’s make another one! Except this time make it a documentary!
Are you sure you aren’t just thinking of Idiocracy?
I can remember a time when elon musk was still saying smart things… like if there’s even a 1% chance of it destroying the planet. We should do everything to avoid it.
insert meme of sitting inside house burning down “this is fine”
What would this result in, if this happens?
I asked Bing chat a similar question. Here the sobering answer:
The Gulf Stream is a crucial system of ocean currents that plays a vital role in Earth’s climate. If it were to collapse, the consequences would be significant and abrupt. Some of the potential consequences include:
- Fast sea level rise in the Atlantic¹
- More extreme winters in Western Europe¹
- Disruptions to monsoon systems in the tropics¹
- Greater cooling and more powerful storms across the Northern Hemisphere¹
- Severe disruption to the rain that billions of people rely upon to grow crops in Africa, South America, and India¹
- Extreme cold to Europe and parts of North America¹
- Raised sea levels along the U.S. East Coast¹
- Endangerment of the Amazon rainforest and Antarctic ice sheets¹
It is important to note that scientists are warning that the Gulf Stream could collapse at any time². The shutdown of this ocean current could lead to serious consequences globally, impacting heat and rainfall distribution². A major Atlantic current could collapse by midcentury as a result of climate change, prompting extreme cold in Europe and sea level rise along the eastern coast of the U.S., according to a study³. It is crucial that we take action to prevent this from happening.
(1) Gulf Stream: A crucial system of ocean currents is showing signs of … https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/06/world/climate-gulf-stream-collapse-warning-study-intl/index.html.
(2) The Gulf Stream could collapse at ‘any time’. https://www.msn.com/en-au/weather/topstories/the-gulf-stream-could-collapse-at-any-time/ss-AA1elwYA.
(3) Atlantic Ocean currents system could collapse this century from climate change: study. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4118630-atlantic-ocean-currents-system-collapse-climate-change/.
(4) The Gulf Stream Is in Danger of Collapsing as Early as 2025. https://www.theinertia.com/environment/gulf-stream-collapse-2025/.
(5) Gulf stream could collapse as early as 2025, study suggests. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/25/gulf-stream-could-collapse-as-early-as-2025-study-suggests.
(6) Scientists Are Warning of Gulf Stream Collapse | Futurism. https://futurism.com/collapse-ocean-currents-freeze-north-america-europe.
So nothing major right? Business as usual.
I don’t know about the former, but yes to the latter.
I don’t know about the former, but yes to the later.
Those are all the problems for places that don’t get the heat the AMOC moves. It doesn’t list the problem for the places where that heat doesn’t leave.
