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    3 days ago

    Normally this should be removed under the “We’re not YPTB” rule, but as this is a new situation I’ll allow this thread to act as a megathread. New posts about this will be removed, so post any new memes here.

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    On one hand, I get .org’s admins’ reasoning, and don’t disagree with the core of it - no one wants a fucking police visit to their house over a hobby project.

    On the other hand, it’s a strong reason for me to not use Feddit.org (separate from Feddit.uk) comms at all, regardless of the comm’s individual position on the ongoing Palestinian genocide.

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      Have you even read the official feddit.org announcement? There is nothing in there that would prevent a serious discussion of the atrocities of the Israeli government. They simply ask to not call for ethnic clensing of an entire group of people or to relativise the holocaust. That is an extremely low bar (which should be common sense) and if that prevents you from participating in feddit.org comms that is really a you problem.

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        It’s broader than that - it also forbids comparisons of the Israeli government to Nazis. You may say that that’s just an issue of tone that doesn’t prevent serious discussion, and you aren’t wrong - but I have no interest in getting tone policed on a fucking genocide either, regardless of German law.

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          How exactly can you compare Israel to the historical Nazis without relativising the atrocities of the Nazis including the holocaust?

          Remember Godwins law of internet discussions? Thats just a funny way of saying the same thing.

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            Works both ways. You are trivializing the current genocide, that bares a lot of ressemblance to the Holocaust, including the use of new technology at industrial scale.

            In one occasion they bombed 23 houses because some Microsoft IA gave a good enough threshold that some hamas goon might be there ffs.

            Germany bombed by grandma and I’m not gonna let a bunch of Germans decide what I can call Nazi or not

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              I am well aware of that, but that is totally besides the point.

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        You are being dishonest. They ban call to disolve Israel as a political entity. Saying the Israeli state should be disolved is NOT a call for ethnic clainsing.

        Your whole move is to blame the victims by saying if it wasn’t for Israel the palestinians would genocide the jews.

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    Nice to see that good meaning critics of israels war crimes are being judged by details instead of doing something more useful for your general movement. Surely it hurts you so much that you can’t compare the idf to nazis but still can say how what israel’s doing sucks and is a war crime

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        Not wanting that already established people who have lived in Israel for their entire life ≠ wanting the continuation of what the idf does

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          And wanting a state to end says nothing about the people. I’m from britanny. I want the French republic to stop existing so we can have self determination. I don’t wanna genocide French people.

          And regarding the Israelis, well, the ones who didn’t participate in the genocide and didn’t steal land can stay. There will be an agrary reform needed at some point of course but I’m sure they can rent an appartment in the nearest city.

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            And wanting a state to end says nothing about the people.

            Then don’t be surprised that people understand your ambiguous statements “the wrong way”.

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          look at all the boers still in south africa. I mean they still have it too good, but this is what an end to an apartheid regime looks like. This but for israelis