The tankie try-not-to-be-a-raging-class-reductionist-queerphobe challenge: impossible.

I always got the sense when talking to class reductionist tankies that they were simply thinly veiling their bigotry and the “no war but class war” was just a way they could try to appeal to others while redirecting away from their own abhorrent beliefs. Just another example that tankies aren’t really that different from MAGAts.

They want to bring together the working class of the left and the right but only on the social terms of the right since they know they can’t challenge their bigotry and still win their votes. So instead they want us to shut up about our struggle for rights and only mention what they deem the “correct” struggle.

  • Saledovil@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    18·
    1 day ago

    It’s like, most trans people are working class. In fact, unless membership in a group is defined by wealth, most members of said group are working class.

  • Bryllyg@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    51·
    1 day ago

    Blocking users doesn’t work too well when someone just goes and screenshots their transphobia and reposts it. Fuck.

  • TheFrirish@jlai.luEnglish
    49·
    2 days ago

    The great trans conspiracy. They really gobbled the scapegoat tactics used by the far right.

    Honestly it’s just sad.

  • SkyezOpen@lemmy.worldEnglish
    161·
    2 days ago

    I generally laugh at horshoe theory but this mf out here trying to singlehandedly prove it.

    • peregrin5@lemm.eeOPEnglish
      122·
      2 days ago

      Unfortunately in my experience this is not an isolated case. It’s fairly common amongst people who consider themselves “leftist”. Most are just better at masking it and aren’t so outright blatant about it. Horseshoe theory keeps being proven again and again.

      • SkyezOpen@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        2 days ago

        My point is that left-right is way too simplistic and the left-right auth-lib chart is a bit more descriptive. Republicans and tankies heavily overlap in terms of authoritarianism (which is why they attack that word so much) which makes them ideologically closer to each other than to lib-left. They still have some lefty ideals which is why I say it’s not a horseshoe.

        However, if people are somehow going so far left that they somehow arrive at transphobia, maybe there’s something to it after all.

        • peregrin5@lemm.eeOPEnglish
          4·
          1 day ago

          Sure. None of the models are perfect (even the 2d chart might be too simplistic: maybe a it’s a 3-dimensional saddle), but if reduced to a particular dimension (like authoritarianism as you mention, or even other aspects like their disdain for the rights of minorities) the horseshoe is blindingly obvious.

          And even if it’s a “not-all-leftists” thing, I think the general response of the non-problematic leftists is to deny this branch of their movement even exists and instead flippantly dismiss the voices of concerned minorities by saying “class reductionists aren’t real and it’s all in your head” and often followed up with (after being shown evidence) “even if they are real, there will be no issues after we solve the class problem, so shut your mouth class traitor”, which is wishful thinking at best and has no basis in any historical evidence.

  • Carmakazi@lemmy.worldEnglish
    33·
    2 days ago

    The regimes they simp for/are employed by have historically been pretty vicious to LGBT, so no real surprise.

    • Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      211·
      2 days ago

      ye boy, easy to think sexual/race/ethnicity/religious identity issues are just a distraction when you are not the target of any of the social stigma, are not affected by the raging hatred, are not also under the thumb of yet another systemic ill, and not a target of any of the violence this brings forth. Are these issues a part of class warfare? At the end of the day, yes. Does that mean they aren’t real, or even a less immediate concern for the people affected by this specific aspect of class warfare? Of course not.

      • CancerMancer@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        132·
        2 days ago

        There are trans people on the internet saying we should resist universal health care because some countries have shown hesitation when it comes to covering youth transitioning.

        I’m here for these people but this proposal is stupid beyond belief. Unfortunately the identity-obsessed sometimes fight for this kind of absolute non-starter of an issue and it is in fact actively harming the greater good.

      • Kickforce@lemmy.wtfEnglish
        41·
        2 days ago

        No, the raging against lgbtq+ is a distraction. The people asking to be recognized, be able to marry or legally change their name and gender are usually sincere. Since their demands have no bearing whatsoever on others the general answer to these demands should have been an immediate approval. Getting people worked up so they oppose “the trans agenda” and become violent against the trans, is a distraction, and for the people who push this, the fact that real people get hurt for the fake outrage is just icing on the cake.

        • Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          5·
          1 day ago

          I mean, to a point. Genuine bigotry has existed forever, and still exists today. If you think the only reason people in power go after minorities is some sort of tactical decision, you give them way too much credit. Most of these people hate people who differ from them in one way, or another, and want to force their world view on everyone. That is where the thought behind their movements ends. But, this is rarely how I see it framed from the “only class war” people. The vast majority of the time I see this argument brought up, it is people telling people supporting minority groups that this is fake and they are are stupid.

        • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          131·
          2 days ago

          Trans people make a GREAT enemy.

          There’s not a lot of them, so the average asshole probably doesn’t know any, which makes it easy to dehumanize them.

          They are inherently trying to “look different”, which means they’re hiding amongst all the good and honest people. Your neighbor could be a trans person!

          Most of them are young, and as a result of shitty policies, have mental health problems. So they’re not individually scary. It’s always nice to have a weak enemy.

          But they’re all in it together, so they must be destroyed for being too strong!

          Feel free to replace “trans person” with the enemy du jour. Jews, communists, gay people, pick your flavour of hate.

  • Deceptichum@quokk.auEnglish
    22·
    2 days ago

    Yeah I banned them from !world@quokk.au when I saw them complaining about the trans agenda being in the room with them right now or some shit.

    Fucking chuds should go back to being 182 cm under.

  • Sunshine (she/her)@lemmy.caEnglish
    10·
    2 days ago

    Why are they on Lemmy.cafe in the first place when that instance severs their umbilical cord to the tankie triad.