Asylum dispute topples coalition in the Netherlands.
This is exactly the kind of shit you can expect when forming a coalition with right-wing populists
One could say it was actually for the better. Now the voter knows a vote for Wilders is a lost vote
You mean the voters can know, expect many to say the coming months ‘the established parties are too powerful, if we vote on him again he can become the biggest party and then he can realise his plans’. Not gonna happen, but I’d say it’s too soon to be sure it actually was for the better.
Some are already saying that he couldn’t do things because he wasn’t big enough and the other parties stopped him…
True. However, the things he wanted to do may not have been good things, so that would then be a blessing.
Let’s hope so. It didn’t go so well in Germany in the 30’s
You overestimate PVV voters
I dunno…
There’s the SP, an immigrant-skeptical left wing party.
And yet it hasn’t gotten all the votes that Wilders got - because a lot of people think the PVV is fighting for their labourers - when in practice it isn’t at all.
The PVV talked about restricting immigration, voted against because Wilders is half Indonesian and his wife Hungarian.
The PVV talked about robbing the ‘woke elite’. Wilders received millions which he didn’t give to the ‘silent majority’, Henk and Ingrid. Wilders himself then can be called ‘woke’ by his own measure.
The PVV talks about freedom but wants to make life harsher for everybody.
If those people want to ‘worship’ someone as a leader, they gotta look at the SP, not the PVV. That party actually comes up for the labourer.
And the SP is also for actual less bureaucracy - not more by making all sorts of exceptions to rules and exceptions.
Thing is, you gotta tell that to PVV voters to sell it to 'em. Tell 'em the SP is against woke, and that the PVV became woke, by thinking it’s a special snowflake.
Why would we encourage anyone to vote for a party that’s against woke? Are there no systemic injustices in their society to fight against?
There absolutely are systemic injustices. And the SP does want to combat those. But the issue is, you gotta win over the far right voters by making them believe that a vote on SP is more of a vote against woke than the PVV ever could be, regardless of whether the SP is actually “anti-woke”. For context, I think the term “woke” is stupid and mostly used to discard actual constructive statements so people don’t address their own problems.
Left wing voters already know the PVV is bad. But far right voters are so deep buried in their thought, that you won’t convince them by saying it’ll be all right if we put up climate measures etc. They’re victims of large capitalist industries’ brainwashing.
So we need to label stuff that is commonly labelled “far right” as woke. And to label stuff that is commonly labelled “far left” as “common sense”.
Combat them with their own logic, by their own logic. They want to worship a leader and follow one; so we need to teach them that the true and only leader is the one that WORKS, instead of YELLING. We need to be fierce about these wordings, more than the PVV ever can be.
I seriously cannot vote for a party which slogan was/is:
Vote no. Vote SP. (In Dutch this rhymes)
Really, with that slogan it just is a lost vote. They’re against everything. Or so it seems. Like Wilders the SP does not want to rule. Because ruling in NL means making a compromise. And they can’t. They wont do it. And thats been proven during the Roemer years. They could rule… but didn’t. Couldn’t risk it. Couldn’t compromise.
Like Wilders they want to stand at the sidelines screaming and fuming about everything which is wrong in their eyes. That’s the only way how they can legitimise their existence.
It’s better to vote for real parties who are not afraid of the Fallout of ruling in NL. Those who accept the probable hit to their popularity because they think the change they can achieve is worth it.
But SP, PVV, JA21, PvdD even GL of old… they don’t really want to rule. And i should also include DENK here. I’m a bit torn about NSC and BBB because they tried to rule but when faced with the harsh reality of being in government and finding those compromises they buckled. I Guess they’re finished because what they stand for, while laudable in some ways, just isn’t realistic. There are too many farmers in NL. There is too much nitrogen. A small country cannot produce the most pigs in the EU. It’s not sustainable.
NSC is build on the promise of being right, doing the right thing. But whats right for you can be very wrong for me…
Anyway, a vote for one of those is a lost vote.
And to add: Whoever thought it a good idea to put Timmermans at the front of the left… they are out of their minds. He is not charismatic, comes over as your annoying math school teacher you hated and left national politics not because he was so well regarded. There are so many very cool politicians on the left but Timmermans is not one of them. I just can’t wrap my head around that one.
Timmermans will lose them (again) the vote. Do something more with Lahlah. Or whoever. As long as its not the failed EU climate pope, Paulus de boskabouter , Timmerfrans or whatever nickname he carries these days.
He is the face of everything which was wrong with the PvdA.
I think Timmermans is actually doing right. But the issue is the social media indoctrination of people into voting AGAINST what would improve their lives most: taxing the rich.
So, if the far right manages to play that game, we need to play that game - and dirtier than they do.
You mean they are kind of TACO, too?
Now let’s just hope no one will ever again claim to be open to forming a coalition with these xenophobic populist moron clowns (yes I’m looking at you Yesilgöz)
She was avoiding saying she would rule out forming a coalition with Wilders, saying it’s ‘too soon’ and she was too angry.
However she instantly rejects a coalition with the Socialist Democrats.
Which is insane and no voter should fall for that bullshit, yet no-one seems keen on punishing het party that has made things worse since 2010.
Rutte-I, anyone? This isn’t the first time. Last time we had a properly left-dominated cabinet (and even then, it was with the back then centrist CDA) was in 1972-1977.
Quality of life improves for everyone after far right is ousted. - Fixed the title for you.
… after far right ousted itself.
Hopefully, those who did not vote the last time and then were shocked about the results will remember and do the one job they should do.
Shh, you’ll upset the white flower Americans.
That’s the point. If, and that is a big if, there is a fair midterm election, one can hope for enough Americans to wake up and vote.
The Dutch government, a coalition between Wilders’ far-right PVV, the populist Farmer-Citizens Movement (BBB), the centrist New Social Contract (NSC) and the liberal People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy (VVD), had scheduled crisis talks Tuesday morning to discuss Wilders’ demands for stricter asylum measures.
FPTP countries: Wow
Wasn’t he Willy Wonka?
Voting is fun!
LETS FUCKING GOOOOO
