Sorry to be that guy: Install Linux?
But seriously: l’d like to know as well.
I hate this response but it was my first thought this time.
The worst part is that its not a bad response. Linux mint is such a good alternative.
I ditched Windows for a Linux Mint just over a month ago. Best decision.
I ditched Linux Mint for TempleOS. The holiest decision I’ve ever made.
I use Hannah Montana OS myself
The eternal circle jerk
Well that was an entertaining read.
I ditched Ubuntu for Mint a few months ago. Also a good decision.
Came here to make this (half)joke.
Sadly, it’s not just a joke, it’s also the only way to actually do this.
It’s not such a joke for about 70 percent of the people who use a computer. All most people do is use the internet, write a document or two and check their email (most of the time using a web based service).
All of which can be done by any OS.
The only reason anyone would want Microsoft is if they specifically ran a program that required Windows … most will say that MS Word runs better on Windows which is true but most people I know write or view the most basic documents that any word processing software is more than adequate.
And even if MS word is required by your school or work … get them to pay for the OS and the word processing software.
Otherwise, the majority of the people I know with a computer only use it as a glorified tablet to access the internet and browse social media … all of which can be done with the most basic Linux distro that won’t hassle you with annoying popups asking you to do things you shouldn’t even be thinking about.
There is virtually no difference between running Word 2007 on modern Windows or under Wine, and I don’t need to use 365 (which is pushy about features in the Home tab and had a terrible redesign). I might pirate Office 2013 at some point if its compatibility rating increases. Still, I prefer LibreOffice unless I need to share the document.
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux!
But seriously: another comment here points out some tool
Cool info. If you were going for a copypasta type thing you nailed it.
I’ve noticed that over the top satire tends to be taken entirely at face value on lemmy. Doesn’t mean I’ll ever stop posting it, but I have noticed it. Also, demographics run much younger than most seem to believe.
I’ve noticed that over the top satire tends to be taken entirely at face value on lemmy
And sometimes it’s taken as both, to be laughed at, and commented on.
See, that makes perfect sense to me. Satire is meant to be taken as a talking point in the overwhelming majority of cases. I’m happy when the message I put out is extrapolated on, but upset when the conversation immediately dies at “no, that’s a silly interpretation.”
That’s because leftists have no sense of humor.
Don’t be so naive, you’re allowed to stay after all.
This copypasta has done so much more to inform people about GNU than any somewhat reasonable piece of writing could ever have done.
it’s so sad that people aren’t recognizing this
man, so many old school internet references will go unnoticed on lemmy :(
holds up spork
Spork is the guy from Star Trek, right?
“Use the force Spork” ~ Gandalf
You know I thought it was copypasta but thought maybe it was rude to say it (if it wasn’t). I must be delirious after making my 2am chili. I need to take a refreshing shower with icesoap.
I knew it!
TL;DR: Linux is just the engine, GNU/Linux is the whole car.
Go play with your HURD Stallman
I recently moved to Linux mint after years of thinking it would be hard or wouldn’t offer the tools I needed. I’ve been extremely pleasantly surprised! I’ve moved over fully, working in CAD, spreadsheets, all the normal stuff without any hassle. And none of these pop ups anymore.
What sort of CAD work to you do? What are you using for CAD?
Residential metal work. Kind of complex things. Dining from AutoCAD and inventor. Still learning it but now using bricscad. Freecad seems ok but like it’s cobbled together by a bunch of volunteers 🤣😜
Hi, what do you use for spreadsheets? I’ve tried librecalc but so far its a major hassle - the cells are way too small on my 1440p monitor and I cant figure out how to fix it.
You just need to zoom in. To make sure it applies to everything, completely close librecalc, open a new spreadsheet, zoom in using the slider on the bottom right, or ctrl+scroll up, until the cells are a good size for you, then close it and that should set the value as the default for all your sheets :)
I don’t even need this information, but I wanted to say thank you for the great and detailed response!
Thank you, I really appreciate that.
Thanks, now I don’t need to say it myself.
Or simply use Firefox?
As if that stops Windows from spamming you with popups that you should be using Edge with Bing instead.
The pop up specifically mentions chrome, it’s not asking to switch browser but just the search engine. It’s anecdotal but I only use Firefox and have never gotten this pop up.
I also have never
Same
I use Firefox on windows 11. I never get pop ups.
Then Microsoft will either tell you to use Edge and Bing (or else!), or just set this automatically.
I had this issue on the windows box at work. For some time, whenever I opened Firefox, it told me that it was not set as the default browser. I fixed this, only to get the same message again the next day.
Are you sure it’s not just your IT locking in the default browser? I for sure never had this problem before.
Nope. At least not on purpose. And for some reason, it only happened on my PC.
I’d say it might be a borked install, then. I’ve had some windows installation that doesn’t lock in settings properly, which is fixed after a reinstall. The reinstall is mostly because I’m too lazy to troubleshoot the actual reason.
Got this via Mastodon which will not let me search for the source.
If you’re in the US, when you set up Windows for the first time, select English (Europe) or English (World), not English (US). That will stop it installing all the bloatware that USians are not protected from but everyone else is.
It’s definitely a US thing, I’m on English (Singapore) and have not seen an ad, ever. I was perplexed by all the complaints of ads in the start menu and wherever, until someone pointed to me that it was a US thing.
You must switch back to English (US) after installation if you want access to Microsoft Store (and even if you don’t, you probably should because most apps are now there).
I’ve seen a few tools to suppress most telemetry such as ChrisTitusTech’s winutil or O&O ShutUp, maybe you could give that a try. Microsoft is really pushing hard Bing & Edge…
Also, as a Linux user, I must obliged to the rules and say there’s alternatives out there if you want to try something new. :-) !linux@lemmy.ml
What exactly are you getting from the Microsoft app store out of curiosity?
Windows Terminal + WSL, everything related to Xbox if you’re using Gamepass or “Play anywhere” titles (Xbox/PC cross-buy).
Most basics apps are from the Microsoft app store too; calculator, calendar, paint, etc.
It’s been a hot minute since I’ve used Windows, but you’d be surprise how much apps are now updated through that app store.
If your device use Windows in S mode, all your apps must come from the store & you must use Edge.
Windows ‘S’hit mode
Ah okay, I didn’t know people used it that way and I don’t do XBox game pass or anything like that. It makes sense. My only real experience with windows store apps has been my work computer trying to install a “personal use” version of Microsoft teams from there and apparently I had to get the professional version through M365 downloads.
Wsl
We leave in Japan, and my wife had that popup once already (using Brave on Win10 - surface laptop)
Would this work after you’ve already setup Windows?
From what I’ve seen online, it must be done during installation. So short answer, no.
As others have said, you could also backup your data and do a fresh installation (from a boot media, not from Windows itself just to be extra safe).
ThioJoe also has a video talking about this English (Europe/World) thing and also provide a Powershell script to delete Windows bloatware. This option could be interesting if you don’t want to reset your whole installation.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/mZm6mY3I7J4?feature=shared
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source, check me out at GitHub.
I doubt it. Don’t know if a fresh install would, or if you can get it fresh enough to work.
Throw all your important stuff onto a drive thay doesn’t contain the OS. Then remove the drive and wipe the computer. You can set it up again and choose the non-bloatware options.
Install linux
Install Gentoo
if you like it sure why not
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Most obvious comment ever. I wish this were the answer to everything, but its not,
For example, how do I have the best experience gaming… Switch to Lin… Oh ಠ_ಠ
Linux has been a great gaming experience for me. Optimizations and what not make my games run faster than they ever did on windows. Also not being able to play rainbow six siege is a plus in my book
Have you heard of the Steam Deck?
I literally haven’t had a problem gaming on Linux since I switched over two years ago
Lutris and Proton babyyy.
Thanks for this comment. I’m planning on making the switch soon, just need to find a low-fuss distro that I like.
I’ve been using Nobara for about a year, maybe more and it really is no fuss. Comes with most things you need ready out of the box, or easily added with the post install tool. Only thing I added was Heroic Games Launcher. I set up a just in case Windows partition, but haven’t booted it since making the switch.
Great choice, Nobara is built on Fedora and Fedora is one of the most stable distros ever.
Tbh, I installed Mint on my gaming pc and all the games I‘m currently playing (mostly cities skylines and mechabellum) and everything worked out of the box. Mechabellum performes a bit worse than on Win11 but it‘s good enough to enjoy the game.
Do you mod cities skylines? If so, did you mods and save files transfer over from Windows?
Both are handled through steam (cloud and workshop subscriptions) so both saves and mods were automatically synced after installation.
That being said, you have to manually enable the mods within CS, but you have to do that under windows as well after a fresh installation.
However, I‘m missing some buildings (the european looking schools), but I didn‘t bother yet to find out what happened to them.
I wish gaming on linux was bad. That’d have saved me countless hours :')
Getting there
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Downvoting because “tard”
Personally I’m downvoting because of the unnecessary violence
Sucks to suck.
Use Firefox and uBlock origin
Do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior, Linus Torvolds?
Akshually Linus Torvalds is a prophet, Richard Stallman is our lord
That’s GNU/Richard Stallman to you!
I’ve taken to calling him GNU + Richard Stallman
I’d like to interject for a moment,
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What about SIGSEGV
You can’t
Laughs in Linux.
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I like how anyone who mentions Linux is now a neckbeard. If you even dare to complain about how shit MS has become (they’ve always been shit, but it’s more obvious now) then you’re somehow a neckbeard. You didn’t say the solution wasn’t valid, just attacked them because there isn’t another solution. Put up with MS’s shut, Apple’s shit, or find a Linux distro that suits you. Your choice.
No one has a problem with complaints about Windows, it’s the “just install Linux lol” mentality that invites mockery.
What’s the other option?
How does Microsoft’s boot taste?
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You can choose whatever you want for whatever reason you want, but don’t spread misconceptions on the internet. With Proton, if you install a newb distro there is literally no reason to touch the commandline at all for what you want to do.
The fuck is a distro? Linux bros can’t say a single sentence about how “easy” Linux is without using some terminology that proves it would actually take quite a bit of research for someone unfamiliar to make the switch. People don’t want to do that. They want an OS that works without having to take a mini CS course.
You really don’t seem to understand how big the gap is. The things you think are easy or intuitive are far from it. Most people can’t even figure out how to download something from GitHub, and you think Linux is right for them?
People don’t want windows either, they just use it because it came preinstalled.
Yes there are people who will never install any alternative OS for themselves but there are plenty of people who would if they knew about other viable options.
I’m willing to bet most Linux users used to be windows users at some point. So its not futile to evangelise.
Also pick a noob distribution/flavour such as pop_os and the installation is no different than installing windows. Download your browser, steam and office tools and just use it.
You can do all that with Linux and there are plenty of distros where you minimally need to use the terminal or don’t at all. Linux has distros for people who want windows without Microsoft. You only need the terminal if you’re a power user.(Android is Linux, but you never hear anyone complain about having to use the terminal or anything. Linux is the most used OS in the world, you just don’t realize it because it can be anything.)
It’s funny that people can have opinions without any actual knowledge. It’s a weird thing. How does that even happen? We can feel very strongly about things, and often so strongly that we ignore all countering information just so we can maintain our beliefs, as if it’ll hurt us to change them. Humans are weird.
I only enjoy Microsoft cucks
Why does it seem like any issue with Windows is met by “INSTALL LINUX!!!”. If the check engine light on my car comes on I am not going to buy a truck.
Yeah you could probably just install Linux on your car and bypass that light instead of buying a truck.
Why spend a lot of time installing and configuring and learning a bunch of stuff when I just want the error code cleared?
Because in this case, the error is “we’ve detected you’re not drinking Ford branded tea, click here to subscribe to our tea service!” along with many other codes that aren’t that hard to individually clear but gives a clear indication of how MS sees its userbase.
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Yeah but if the truck is free and better than your current car…
It this case, also more environmental friendly, repairable and improves self-determination, independence and the local economy.
And it has a cool penguin bumper sticker
Better is debatable. For the average dev, Linux is an obvious improvement for most development tasks. For the casual user? Not even Ubuntu is 100% out of the box yet. I’m currently working through the migration to Ubuntu as my main OS and there have been things where I 100% had to open up a terminal for (or something similarly manual or confusing), which is typically not an option for non-developers or the technologically disinclined. Most Linux diehards seem to forget that not everyone is technologically literate, especially when they push the latest fork of a fork of a branch of arch with barely any UI or support for familiar applications.
You got me curious.
What exactly had you going for the terminal? Although not a fan of that distro in particular, I must admit they were the ones who made a significant push to make Linux more accessible to every one.
I’d risk 97% of end user machines nowadays are ready to go after going through a standard install of Ubuntu.
I think the first thing was Windows’ fault (and also the fault of my dual boot setup, which i imagine most casual users won’t be going for) - apparently “Fast Startup” means doing some hardware shenanigans that prevents Ubuntu from hooking into the motherboard’s network adapter.
After disabling that, I had to install a specific version of the nvidia graphics driver (535) from a PPA to get all 4 of my monitors working. Before that, I couldn’t configure display settings at all because my screens would flash for too long and prevent me from clicking the “Keep Settings” button. And before that, only one monitor worked and the other three were black screens that I could move the mouse to, but couldn’t move applications to.
And finally I had to figure out how to set a “default” audio device because apparently this isn’t a configurable thing (that I could find). I noticed I would have to manually set my audio device after every reboot - after enough reboots I found that there is a command to list audio devices by ID and to set the active output device by ID, so I added it to the list of startup commands. Honestly this one is the most perplexing because I would think setting a default audio device from a list of multiple would be some pretty basic functionality. I’m guessing that I probably just missed it, or gnome hides it.
After that is mostly gaming setup stuff. I would consider it to be common knowledge that most games aren’t intended to be run on Linux, so I don’t mind some difficulty there.
Slightly unrelated, I have learned that apt purging openssl is a huge no-no and am now reinstalling Ubuntu again entirely :)
PopOS Nvidia version for Nvidia machines - much better experience.
I can’t speak for the Nvidia issue. (Only that it is widely know that Nvidia actively works against Open source and only just has begun changing their stance, so Nvidia support is still poor on Linux. Their proprietary drivers aren’t great either. I stick to AMD since using Linux, they work great out of the box)
But the audio issue baffles me. Under Kubuntu with KDE I just klick on the Loudspeaker in the systray and choose the device. It even remembers it over unplugging and replugging devices.
Rgarding openssl: Thats the price you pay for freedom, you can change the system how you want, even into non working states ^^ BTW: You can repair such mistakes with a LiveCD even major ones like this.
I had a dual boot where windows would from time to time rewrite the boot and the system would just load into it.
Because it was an older motherboard it still had IDE and SATA; after some research, I found someone saying it was a BIOS “feature” where the default master HDD was alway on the IDE channel. The solution: get rid of the IDE disk (and windows along with it).
The rest of what you describe remembers my own misadventures when I started. But back then at 2006 and with Debian.
I’ve read articles where people were saying that even running the NVidia Quadro boards was very much anti-climatic, with the biggest hurdle being installing the proprietary drivers.
And when it comes to games, WINE is going very far to make many things works where they were never intended to. And many titles are already being shipped with penguin in mind
Have fun!
I wish. Both at home and in the office, we rely on too many Windows-dependent applications that do not work on Linux.
I run Ubuntu as my main OS since I can kinda do what I want with my laptop at work and obviously control my personal laptop as well, but everything production-wise at work is Windows on the client side, and I still have a Windows PC for gaming for games that require anti cheat that isn’t supported on Linux.
I vastly prefer Linux but Windows is a far lower friction/barrier to entry for most.
People resist change because of familiarity or, even worse, it’s the crap that comes preloaded with every computer and some idiot told them they void warranty if it is removed (this is illegal nowadays but many shops still float this idea).
I can understand specialized applications but the bulk of office work does not require it. And industrial applications even prefer linux as it means they can tailor the software to their specific uses.
I was writing this and what came to mind was a conversation on a podcast where journalists were at some point debating they could not live without their Apple computers, while complaining how expensive they were.
They write text! Any freaking OS can provide support for at least two dozens of text processors.
It’s mostly about perception, in my view.
Switching to Linux isn’t free. There are significant time, opportunity and switching costs involved.
My car serves my needs more than a truck does. Not only is it easier for a wheelchair user to get in, I can load/unload easier and it’s more comfortable for me to drive.
But if your car has flat tires every 3000 miles, the engine explodes occasionally for no reason, the dash display keeps telling you about accessories you don’t want instead of your speed, and the factory door locks are coat hangers twisted into an O ring, then shopping around seems like a good idea.
The fundament of GNU/Linux and Windows are totally different. The annoying things with Windows are just symptoms of the underlying principle, which is to milk you as much as possible. It’s like switching from smoking to not smoking
While I wouldn’t comment something like that myself, as I think it’s not productive, it’s quite strange as a Linux user to see these posts like “The makers of the OS I use on the computer I paid money for and now own are trying to screw me over in a new way today. How can I fix it?”
own
I think the real problem is that OP doesn’t own Windows, “the software is licensed, not sold.”
To be fair, the chance of that not being the default response on Lemmy was pretty slim.
The thing I am now curious about is if this is, quite predictably, Lemmy’s existing culture, OR if they were having a perfectly good time in their clubhouse until all the most insufferable Redditors came charging in here.
I’m kinda wondering the same thing, minus the “insufferable” part. (Then again, maybe the original Lemmy users do consider us “insufferable” for messing up Lemmy’s culture? Who knows?)
There were a lot of linux users before too, c/linux was one of the most active communities, about the culture it could be better but at least all the tankies have been drowned out
Normally it happens the other way around but here on lemmy the popolation of LMR is just big enough to for once turn tables.
Because we’re nerds.
LMR should have been more helpful in this thread, but, more people installing Linux will solve more issues with Windows beyond a pop-up. Maybe Microsoft will actually improve their OS instead of putting FUCKING ADVERTISEMENTS IN WINDOWS 11
Geeks. Nerds would troubleshoot the problem or at least evaluate the situation a bit.
What about “INSTALL A DIFFERENT OS!!!”? Is that better? There are reasonably two others to choose from, and one of those doesn’t require the purchase of expensive equipment and arguably a path into an even more controlled ecosystem.
And your analogy is way off. This isn’t a malfunction of Windows that a technician is going to fix, never to be seen again. This is more like a rep from the car manufacturer meeting you at your car every morning to ask if you want to install their factory upgrade. You tell them that you never want to see them again, so next week they start sending a different representative. You have no other options.
Well, except getting a free car that doesn’t send a rep.
Yeah but the free car requires an hour of troubleshooting every time you get in
Don’t use chrome
Edge/Windows is literally the technological equivalent of an obsessive ex-girlfriend.
Relevant blog post …from 2016!
With a crazy disposition to boot.
Makes me quite disposed to dual-boot
That’s not as bad. Imagine if it was the equivalent of an obsessive ex-boyfriend.
Microsoft Reward points
What the fuck is this?
You “earn” points by searching and doing daily stuff which you can redeem for gift cards/rewards.
So they literally have to pay people to use bing?
Yeah. It’s been that way for at least a decade. My dad used to use bing for reward points and was scoring an Xbox controller every 3 months or so.
No way ? that’s a good ratio. I might just try automating Bing searches.
Unfortunately a lot of people have thought the same thing, and I believe they’ve cut down on that. Wouldn’t hurt taking a brief look into it, though. However, the rewards points aren’t as valuable as they used to be, I’m pretty sure.
pathetic
Taking a page out of Brave Browser’s book. So brave.
Bing rewards has been around for 6 years longer than the brave browser has existed (2010 vs 2016)
start using linux lmao
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Ugh Linux people. Not everyone wants to deal with it and want to play whatever games they want without feeling like they’re hacking the pentagon just to play their favorite game. Not everyone has the knowledge to do it nor do they particularly want that knowledge. They want things that work out of the box, they came here to ask about a windows specific annoyance, not what OS to switch to. Shut the fuck up about Linux for two seconds.
I hear your annoyance, and I get it, because the “real” question is “How do I stop this from ever happening again on Windows?”
But the bottom line is, no matter what workaround or registry fix is found, nothing stops MS from making changes and popping this crap up yet again in some other obnoxious and shitty way.
If you run Windows, you have to accept some level of this bullshittery.
I’m right though.
No amount of registry editing and weird app installing will permanently remove the obnoxious ads from Windows. And Linux is the only OS that can feel like Windows. (Zorin, Mint, any old KDE distro etc)
And honestly? Linux isn’t that hard anymore. Like, installing stuff can be done through graphical app stores that are easier than using Windows. Gaming on Linux works out of the box and has done for 5 years now.
This post is more like an apple user asking why their phone screen can’t be replaced without buying a new device, or a ford f150 owner asking how to get more than 5mpg in fuel economy: you tell them to (consider) a different choice of product
Clicking “Play” in Steam or Epic launcher is hacking the Pentagon for you?
Devil’s Advocate: I have been unable to play the sims ever since EA moved it to the EA games launcher. Origin was poorly written, but the new launcher barely works on windows, let alone on Wine.
Check protondb. It sometimes has workarounds for launcher issues.
Thanks, ill look into that
There’s been multiple times that I had an issue with a game launcher on windows bugging out and not being able to play my game, but then seeing it work just fine under linux with proton. There’s still some issues the devs need to work out, but we’re getting to the point that linux is more reliable
Honestly I do agree with Linux being more reliable overall. That being said, I do think the biggest benefit Linux has given me is reinforcing a habit of backing up all my stuff constantly, since I never know when I’m going to try something stupid on an impulse.
Haha, true! I’ve learned the hard way to try the really whacky shit in a virtual machine first, they’re quite handy for that. After lots of trial and error though, and learning what will break things and what won’t, I’ve been on the same install for several years now actually. But yes, back ups are still smart lol
Use software like shutupwin10 or various other open source debloat scripts to remove a shit-ton of annoying features in windows. Or, as lemmy galaxy-brains would have it, JuSt uSe LiNuX
One way would be to switch your default search engine to Bing in Chrome.
I bet that doesn’t stop it lol
Are you actually bots? I can’t believe you would suggest either chrome or bing if privacy is a concern to you. It’s firefox and duckduckgo all day, every day…
I mean, if I was a bot, I’d probably be more productive.
I think you might have meant to ask if I was a shill. But in any case, OP specifically asked a question in relation to using Chrome and related to being pressured to use Bing. While my suggestion was pretty tongue-in-cheek, it was still on topic. You saying “Use Firefox instead” is kind of a poor answer that might appeal to your bias, but isn’t really on topic for this question. I would guess that OP is aware of other browser options.
And another is to just use Microsoft Edge already. Jesus Christ, Edge is an ACTUALLY GOOD WEB BROWSER. It’s based on Chromium, so there’s no usable difference, plus you can access https://passwords.google.com in Edge with no issue.
No, thank you.
Right? They’re the same browser just reporting everything you do to different people.
Exactly. Just bend over and grab your ankles, they’re going in dry.
Simp
How about you galaxy brain “just switch to linux” people actually give some helpful advice? Clearly there’s a registry edit that can be made for Windows users that would take all of 5 seconds to complete, rather than an entire week formatting, installing, reconfiguring an entirely new OS that also requires a degree of command line knowledge.
Have you tried binging it?
