• Piecemakers@lemmy.world
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      Sure, we’ve had one mutiny, but… What about second mutiny?

      I don’t think he knows about second mutiny, Pip.

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    A bomb is much, much more efficient than a missile. I’d be very surprised if a missile was used. Also, it would be unlikely for both him and Utzin to be on the same plane, for exactly this reason.

    It’s going to be hard to unpack all these rumors for a few days unless we see a living Utzin or Prigozhin soon. A strong possible narrative here would be Utzin selling out his boss in exchange for amnesty, in which case it behooves him to disappear.

    Edit: notice we don’t see a missile exhaust trail to the aircraft and a burst pattern for one in the start of the video. With the war on, there are plenty of videos showing a missile strike on an aircraft to compare to.

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      The smoke trail on the left at the start of the video was reported to be from the missile. There are a few photos that claim to show damage from an S-300 missile. However, I’ve heard rumors about a box of wine that was gifted to them before takeoff, and another about unusual plane maintenance.

      I’ve updated the title to reflect the current level of uncertainty.

      Also this:

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    The “second angle” linked is of a different aircraft. The first video may be a Legacy 600 but the second looks like a twin turboprop of some kind- Saab 2000 or similar.

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      Yup jumped into the BBC soon as I saw the thread, seems to be the case; guess we know what air defense doing.

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    I already read a report that there were 2 planes, of which the 2nd returned after the incident… I’m curious if he was on the 1st (shot down) plane or the 2nd.

    When he was in the 2nd and survived things could ‘get interesting’ in Russia.

    May Putin live in interesting times.

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    @Wilshire We do not know if the monster is dead. It was on the passenger list, but we don’t know if it actually was on the plane.
    Prigozhin might have staged it. I don’t know how likely that is. Even if his corpse gets identified by the russian liars - do we believe this? Let’s wait and get more information.

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      Yes, he’s “reportedly” dead, but we may never know since his body was burned. I thinks it’s 50/50.

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      What would be the point of staging it? I’m not denying that there is a possibility, just don’t see a reason for him to do it

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        If people think you are dead, you’ve got better chances of not falling out of a window.

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      Alas no. Pooty’s got enough brains to know friends and foes alike are gunnin’ for him. He’s VERY careful when disclosing his intentions and whereabouts. If you want to do him, someone from the inside has got to give him up… ( cue up Attack on Titan final season opening theme: My War)

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    All Ukraine needs is one insider to let intelligence know poo man’s movements. Then pop goes the poo man. Do the world a favour and make him fall out a window already.