Please don’t put any hate comments against the developers of lemmy or against the person who posted this.

I am also unhappy about what the main lemmy instance is doing.

What are your thoughts?

  • nikifa@lemmy.ml
    97·
    3 years ago

    What I’m aware of is that there is no credible evidence of any sort of genocide happening in Xinjiang.

    Why is it always the same rhetorical methods you (are you ML?) people use?

    Telling someone they are wrong, and they just need to read a bit more into it. Then they read a bit more into it, from the source you linked and notice that your entire argument is nothing but manipulative but they anyway use the arguments from the very source you linked as a means to show you how pointless your comment was…and then, like nearly always, people like you will then argue: no, no, all false: read this very long thread.

    I did read some threads on that subject from some MLs already. They all had one thing in common:

    forced labor is actually something good in this case. But look this is an ideological debate. You think it’s good, I think it’s bad. There’s no point debating that I should change my value system.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
      109·
      3 years ago

      You haven’t addressed a single point that I made, and now you’ve shifted from talking about genocide to forced labor which nobody here is defending. You’re clearly not interested in having a good faith discussion here.

      Have a good day.

      • nikifa@lemmy.ml
        127·
        3 years ago

        You haven’t addressed a single point that I made

        I did. I addressed your original point. Then you wanted to talk about something else and I said, no, I’m not going to follow you into this rabbit hole, let’s first stick to the original point. If anytime someone makes an argument that makes your argument become logical inconsistent, you start to distract with something else, no point following you into the rabbit hole. Because all you want is to win, but I don’t gonna join your rules.

        here just so you don’t miss it out, here’s how I respond to your original point: https://lemmy.ml/post/78808/comment/74761

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
          67·
          3 years ago

          No, you literally didn’t address any of my points. I explained that the source for your claims is not credible. I provided the context of what’s terrorism in Xinjiang and US involvement. I’ve also provided an independent report from Italy stating that US claims are politically motivated. You addressed none of that, and then shifted your argument. You are a troll.

          • nikifa@lemmy.ml
            105·
            3 years ago

            I explained that the source for your claims is not credible

            I used YOUR source that YOU used for YOUR claim. Without you using it as a source, I would have never used it as such.

            I ONLY used it as a means to proof the manipulative character of your argumentation. Me not following your rhetoric lead, is just me not joining your gaslighting.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
              69·
              3 years ago

              My sources don’t say what you seem to think they say. Be specific regarding what it is you think my source says that supports your point. It’s pretty hilarious that once confronted with your nonsense you’re screeching about gaslighting.

          • nikifa@lemmy.ml
            84·
            3 years ago

            fine, so let’s make it a circle.

            you and your original point that links to this only source that I used within this discourse:

            Even US state department denies the Uyghur genocide. Give it a rest already.

            me:

            You are aware that this is just about semantics? It’s not about if those crimes against humanity that some call genocide are happening, it is if those crimes against humanity should be called genocide or differently. Stop gaslighing.

            [then quotes from the source that you used to suggest that genocide is non-existential]

            “The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide,…”

            Some more quote from the article:

            “Secretary Blinken and I have made clear that genocide has been committed against the Uyghurs in Xinjiang,”

            “I have determined that the People’s Republic of China is committing genocide and crimes against humanity in Xinjiang, China, targeting Uyghur Muslims and members of other ethnic and religious minority groups,”

            “For example, the torture, rape and sexual violence committed against Uyghurs likely constitute genocide ‘by causing serious bodily and mental harm’—the second type of genocide recognized by the Convention,

            “More than 1 million Uighurs have been detained in reeducation camps, and many have reportedly been subjected to forced labor and sterilization. China has committed numerous crimes listed in the convention as acts of genocide, including the prevention of births and infliction of bodily or mental harm on members of a group and the compulsory separation of children from their communities, according to human rights groups.”

            • nikifa@lemmy.ml
              75·
              3 years ago

              Again, I’m only making those point to show how your original point has been very missleading. I’m not saying that this is a credible source or something it’s just a source you used for your claim so I picked it up.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
                48·
                3 years ago

                My original point was not misleading, and I provided lots of sources to support it in my follow up comment. You continue to ignore them and to make false statements.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
              67·
              3 years ago

              you and your original point that links to this only source that I used within this discourse:

              My original link was to show that even state department lawyers in the country pushing the genocide narrative aren’t willing to call it such. Then I provided many more links that contradict the things you’ve quoted that you conveniently ignore here. Stop trolling.