Always nice to pop into these posts to see what (new) users I need to add to the block list.
they used filtration camps to obfuscate the kidnapped children so its harder to track them down, they give them false identity and put them up for adoption, or in an orphanage.
It’s not at all suspicious that the two accounts defending RU here are brand new…
New Russian troll farm activity, probably linked to Puta “peace” meeting with Trump.
Please report that shit in the future so I can remove it sooner.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
🤮
Child trafficking with some eugenics sprinkled in.
Really fucked up, and this is what we know during the war, imagine what could come out after.
I wouldn’t be shocked if some of the older kids that didn’t get shot as “enemy combatants” got pressed back into service for Russia at the end of a gun.
Brought to you by the unbiased news source - kyivindependent.com
“Brought to you by the unbiased news source – kyivindependent.com”
This kind of snarky dismissal is a textbook example of the genetic fallacy. It’s rejecting an argument or claim solely because of its source, rather than engaging with the content, the evidence, or the reasoning behind it.
Yes, The Kyiv Independent is Ukrainian, and yes, it likely carries national bias. Just like literally every national outlet does during wartime. That doesn’t automatically invalidate every fact it reports, especially when those facts are supported by third-party evidence and international bodies.
In this article, for example, the claim about the child adoption “catalog” is backed by:
Screenshots from Russian occupation websites, figures from Save Ukraine ( a long-standing NGO) and references to internationally verified abductions; numbers confirmed by Ukraine’s ombudsman, the ICC’s arrest warrants, and other human rights organizations)
So even if you don’t like the outlet, you’re still responsible for engaging with the facts, not just rolling your eyes and calling it propaganda.
Dismissing credible, corroborated claims with a one-liner is lazy and cowardly. If you’re going to talk about war crimes and mass abductions, do better than a meme-level deflection and actually engage the facts. This isn’t some Internet drama without consequences; it’s the systematic erasure of children.
Definitely impartial:
"its contributing editor, Liliane Bivings, used to work and write for the NATO think tank The Atlantic Council, specifically covering Ukraine. Producer Elina-Alem Kent worked for the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv in 2017; not exactly the background one would associate with grassroots, independent media. Chief financial officer Jakub Parusinski was previously employed by the International Center for Policy Studies, a Ukraine-focused think tank sponsored by numerous Western governments. In 2020, culture reporter Artur Korniienko was awarded a fellowship to work for Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, an organization that The New York Times once described as a “worldwide propaganda network built by the CIA.” Meanwhile, contributor to The Kyiv Independent Lucy Minicozzi-Wheeland previously worked for the Council on Foreign Relations, was given a scholarship by the State Department to study Ukraine, and also worked at the Ukraine Crisis Media Center, an organization directly funded by the U.S. government.
The unquestioned star of The Kyiv Independent, however, is defense reporter Illia Ponomarenko, who, in a short time, has built up a following of over 1.1 million people on Twitter. From the front lines, his tweets and videos go viral daily and provide the basis for much of the Western media’s reporting on the conflict. Yet Ponomarenko is far from a neutral actor, and spends an inordinate amount of his time embedded with the Azov Battalion, the Neo-Nazi group whom he describes as his “good friend[s]” and his “brothers in arms.”
Dismissing Russian media reports occurs way more commonly but no one says anything then.
Your point is?
Russian sources arnt legitimate, and are filled with propaganda, so its generally ignored. it would be deleted on reddit as it would here as well.
What-aboutism. I love how generic and useless you’re being.
Ah, so now we’re on to classic whataboutism fallacy. Pointing out that Russian media gets dismissed (often for good reason) doesn’t make it logically valid to dismiss any report just because of its origin.
If you think The Kyiv Independent is questionable, that’s fine! Interrogate the claims. Ask:
What are the sources?
Are they independent?
Can they be verified elsewhere?
The same rules apply to Russian media and every other claim.
But using other fallacies doesn’t justify your response. Saying “Well, people dismiss Russian media too” isn’t a defense. It’s just avoiding the argument again.
Russian media rarely if ever cites their sources, and when they do they are dubious at best
and mostly because putin control what russian media puts out as well.
These ones certainly aren’t.
From the people who gave us the Ghost of Kiev and the Snake Island fantasyDid they report on those at all?
I searched their websites and I got 0 hits on the Ghost of Kyiv, and 1 hit on Snake Island (this).
Removed by mod
“Removed by mod”
No reason given since it’s pure censorship of facts they don’t like.
pathetic cowards.
Worse than Reddit.There is no such thing as “neutral” in a war, but facts are facts, and lies are lies. If the position people take means people say lies, you disprove the lies.
From all this word-soup I see that you have effectively not a good example of false reporting from the Kyiv Independent, and you cast a wide net to the whole “western media”.
What is an example of neutral media in your opinion that you consider factual and trustworthy?
Here’s another older source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-ukraine-children-russia-war-kidnapping-evidence-b2717730.html
Children from Eastern Europe have been considered prime trafficking victims for several decades now. They are usually white and easily accessible, often sitting out on the streets.
Here’s a documentary about Romanian street children: https://youtu.be/HDiIrdzFGCY
Here’s Robert Maxwell trafficking them: https://www.nli.org.il/he/images/ nnl_archive_al990040300950205171/NLI#$FL45875197
There is substantial evidence that torture, snuff, rape, bestiality, and CSAM materials coming from Russia are made by Putin’s request and put out by his request to accrue blackmail on the people who view them online. A large part of what many world leaders want today are just straight up children and babies as a commodity.
UK tabloids aren’t a source
Independent is not a tabloid you fucking Russian propaganda troll.
"its contributing editor, Liliane Bivings, used to work and write for the NATO think tank The Atlantic Council, specifically covering Ukraine. Producer Elina-Alem Kent worked for the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv in 2017; not exactly the background one would associate with grassroots, independent media. Chief financial officer Jakub Parusinski was previously employed by the International Center for Policy Studies, a Ukraine-focused think tank sponsored by numerous Western governments. In 2020, culture reporter Artur Korniienko was awarded a fellowship to work for Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, an organization that The New York Times once described as a “worldwide propaganda network built by the CIA.” Meanwhile, contributor to The Kyiv Independent Lucy Minicozzi-Wheeland previously worked for the Council on Foreign Relations, was given a scholarship by the State Department to study Ukraine, and also worked at the Ukraine Crisis Media Center, an organization directly funded by the U.S. government.
The unquestioned star of The Kyiv Independent, however, is defense reporter Illia Ponomarenko, who, in a short time, has built up a following of over 1.1 million people on Twitter. From the front lines, his tweets and videos go viral daily and provide the basis for much of the Western media’s reporting on the conflict. Yet Ponomarenko is far from a neutral actor, and spends an inordinate amount of his time embedded with the Azov Battalion, the Neo-Nazi group whom he describes as his “good friend[s]” and his “brothers in arms.”
There’s your “independent” nazi bootlicking cunt
Did you say anything Bumhole? All I heard is a Russian troll making with their mouth sounds usually associated with an arse.
The neanderthal nazi expresses itself in the only way he can.
vulgar attempts at insults, yet he lacks the brains to not look like the dummy he is.
Hey, out of curiosity- is Putin a bad person? Can you say something negative about Putin?
Yes, I don’t have the simplistic thinking of the western mouthpieces.
He is simply the lesser evil, and that’s not hard when the other side is the worstt imperial aggressive country to ever exist.Worse than imperial China? The Mongols? Alexander the Great? The Dutch and Dutch East India Company? The British? The French? The Spanish?
There is no “lesser evil.” There are assholes in charge who kill and enslave people just living their lives. There are rulers and enforcers who work together to trick the public en masse that any one of them is better than another. When at its core, owning and harming others is inherently wrong with no middle ground and benevolent slavers are still slavers.
Just like it isn’t the Russian people who want war or want to fight in war, it is Putin and the wealthy who want it, to kill their own men and to thin the herd. They can then take their money and stuff after they die. It’s not just about what they gain from Ukraine, it’s also about an attack on their own people.
LOL you’re a joke. enjoy your BS
I accept your loss due to an inability to form a good faith argument.
Those poor kids!
You mistyped your nickname again, Bumhole
A comment on the moronic level I expect from nazi fanboys
Yes, Bumhole. Nazi fanbois like PutinJugend. Or any other sort of Russian propaganda trolls.
https://apimagesblog.com/blog/2018/11/12/training-kids-to-kill-at-ukrainian-nationalist-camp
Pleasr go join them, they need dumbfucks as cannon fodderWell done Yuri, another five rubles in your pocket.
Maybe it’s in preparation for Putin’s meeting with Trump.
kyivindependent
Aw yeah TOTALLY believable and DEFINITELY no incentive whatsoever to publish fearmongering articles for the US proxy war 🤣
Another brain dead tankie.
You want to wait for the Russia Today version?
Tankies don’t get opinions. Shit off back to Putin’s propaganda instances fuckwit.
Wait, tankies? wasn’t Pootin a nazi, or are you one of those clever horseshoe believers?
Please make your mind up.
And are they sooo weak they can’t even win from ukranus or are they going to invade western Europe any minute now!?
Most coherent western imperialist mouthpieces.Imagine complaining about imperialism and then simping for Russia and ignoring its constant imperaliam. You’re pathetic.
Yes Russia with its 800 bases in the world, that is most of its history at war and has a the longest list of invading or bombing countries. Iran only recently.
Oh wait, that’s the US.
Really trying to defend that is more than pathetic.
🤡Only complete fools think Russia’s war in Ukraine is about “protecting itself”. No one was planning on attacking Russia and it was just a pathetic excuse to steal land.
Yes you know better than the US military saying exactly what I said, that they will never allow nukes and NATO so close since it leaves no time to react.
And sure, by far the biggest country on the planet 'needs to steal land. 😭
Go embarrass yourself somewhere else, no time for 🤡It’s a good thing people like you are irrelevant. You guzzle Russian propaganda without ever giving it a thought.
The biggest country in the world has stolen land on many occasions, including right now, but apparently you have no knowledge of history or pay attention to current events. Or you’re just a lying loser.
It’s not bad, actually - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/kyiv-independent-bias/
Who wouldn’t believe an american factchecker
Isn’t that the website run by the full-throat zionist chiropractor? Thnx but no thnx, thats abso on the “Don’t trust” list
Bwahahaha you’re one to talk. Please if other people read this look at the sources theyve posted.
Wdym? I mean yea, I post western sources lik eonline for unimportant things but 4 politics I stick to good non-western sources
Good non-Western sources
Russia Today
Suuuuure
Lol you weren’t kidding, that’s literally what he posts. That and sites that still uses the .su tld. Can’t make this shit up
*she tyvm
Women can be communists too fyi
More like authoritarian. If you were a communist you’d care about the people in Russia, not the government. If you are a communist, you’re a pretty shit one.
and this is probably unironically said by someone from the land of the free.
Fair point, it’s probably skewed more towards women once you consider how many of the men march off to the meat grinder for a failed dream that died 30 years ago.
Are you ready to watch the soviet union split apart a second time?
LOL how many ukro teens can you drag ogf the streets to please Lindsey Graham
And it’s the US shithole falling apart, so again that’s pure projection.
