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In the future, write the scientists in a paper published in the journal Science Robotics, drone swarms like this could be used for disaster relief and ecological surveys.
That’s an optimistic way of looking at it.
Yeah, I bet China can’t wait to do more ecological surveys.
Reporter: What could have caused the deaths of these people?
Government Spokesperson: Ecological surveys can be pretty dangerous.
Reporter: Follow-up question. All 37 people appear to have been shot simultaneously in the back of the head. What is ecological about that?
Government Spokesperson: I’m sure we could arrange for you to observe an ecological survey very closely…
Why does China always get these kind of comments. I’m from the UK and I have seen my country and the USA do more to destabilise the world than China ever does?
Sure china is fucked if you live there and they have too much power with the manufacturing, but I’m genuinely curious as to why Reddit and Lemmy really like to shit ok china when we most likely live in countries with just as dubious morals.
China is the face of automated spying. Particularly on their citizens and as visibly as they possibly can. Drones that track people seem relevant to China as a result. You can’t announce your countrywide spy network with a prideful voice year after year and expect not to be turned into a caricature.
Dude the CIA and GCHQ were found to be spying on their own citizens too.
Like shit I get it china bad but also we are bad too. It’s insane all the posts of avoid Chinese tech as they spy, but it’s cool to buy this American tech as the cia are privacy advocates just like apple. Ffs.
Glass houses and stones is all I’m saying.
CIA hasn’t disappeared me for calling Biden a cuckling bitch yet, but maybe next week. Try asking about the wrong anniversary in China. It’s really not comparable.
Maybe not but the cia have definitely renditioned people during the war on terror.
The CIA have certainly destabilised more governments that any other organisation I can think of.
I’ve said in another comment that yes what goes on it chinas bordered is fucked up and should be condemned. What I’m talking about is all the hate about the stuff outside it’s borders when to my stupid Brian they don’t do too much.
What is it with you people that are quick to criticise other places but will not take criticism of their own country.
To be abundantly clear, I am not trying to defend China at all, fuck them and their treatment of Uyghurs and citizens in general etc. I am merely trying to find out why China is in vogue, why not NK, Russia, Syria, Sri Lanka etc.
I feel like I have to repeat myself here, you can’t announce your countrywide spy network with pride year after year and expect not to be turned into a caricature. Every country has stereotypes, some true and others not. China’s biggest is spying and its second is disappearing dissidents. Other countries are less known for it, and I will reiterate, because they do not constantly announce it to a billion citizens.
I am merely trying to find out why China is in vogue, why not NK, Russia, Syria, Sri Lanka etc.
Scale.
Yeah nobody is hating on Russia… 😂🤣
A hint could be that in one of those countries, you may very well disappear if your voice is opposed to that of the regime.
Plenty of outspoken state critics have had the CIA’s highest reward for investigative journalism administered cranially.
Yes in that country and often with act of rendition.
Again, what are they doing on a global scale? Selfish or not m, what goes on in China has little effect on me, but when countries like mine and the USA invade counties under false pretences and people then set off bombs in my country then that does effect me.
All I’m saying is we seem to throw a lot of stones from inside our glass houses.
All I’m saying is we seem to throw a lot of stones from inside our glass houses.
that’s all it is, projection from regular citizens who have bound their nationality to their identity and can’t help but sling shit at others in a defensive reflex, and distraction by those in power pushing that nationalism (and other division) to keep us focused on an “enemy” that isn’t them.
And to be clear before I get called a tankie - fuck China, it’s state run capitalism, not communism, and they definitely are responsible for a lot of shit, but so are almost all nations, and maybe people should be looking to hold their own governments accountable (or even better, to abolishing the systems that all these governments serve and rely on) before they start pointing fingers at others.
A random worker in the UK has more in common with a random worker in China, than either have with an obscenely wealthy person of their own nationality - workers of the world unite!
China is actively engaged in ethnic cleansing and/or genocide right now (eg the uyghurs). Those things are not so popular in the west, at least not in an actively state sponsored way.
Why does China always get these kind of comments
From the article:
Scientists from China’s Zhejiang University have unveiled a drone swarm capable of navigating through a dense bamboo forest without human guidance.
And?
You don’t believe that the USA and other counties are working on the same thing?
You don’t think there might be articles in China right now about the CIA and there drone swarms?
If I recall the USA literally murders people with drones and a certain level of collateral damage is acceptable. Or that we dropped two nukes on a country as a flex to Russia.
We littered Laos with enough bombs that people still die today.
All I am saying is we should maybe throw less stones from our glass houses.
On a video where China demonstrates its automated human tracking capabilities, you want people to discuss other countries’ tracking?
What’s your motivation for this whataboutism?
What’s your motivation for this whataboutism?
Maybe trying to get more social credits
China committed genocide against Uyghurs, independent tribunal rules
UK is pretty far from perfect but to suggest we have “just as dubious morals” as China is categorically wrong.
The first actual response with the actual crimes that china commits.
I guess it depends on current morals or the uk of the past. After all we did colonise half the world.
Currently we have some pretty draconian views and removal of a lot of rights. Plus the way the government thinks about ex-pats (sorry I meant immigrants, ex-pat is when we go elsewhere). We invaded Iraq under false pretences.
I just don’t see how we are so hypercritical of one country and any view that questions it is usually (not here,today) condemned as a plant, shill, or Winnie the Pooh himself.
to suggest we have “just as dubious morals” as China is categorically wrong.
Only if you have a wilfully short memory and/or are wilfully ignorant of the atrocities that came with far reaching British imperialism (never mind completely ignoring the news, we have camps, hundreds of asylum seeking children disappearing, disabled people being quietly killed off, trans people having their rights removed and so on and so forth never mind the “run of the mill” systemic racism sexism queerphobia ableism classism and so on, and pretending these aren’t all active stages of fascism is helping normalise it)
With the internet at your fingertips there is no excuse:
I mean, in this case it was due to the context of the article.
China bad updoots to the left
With pleasure.
I think it’s missing commas.
… disaster, relief, and ecological surveys.
One of the most interesting parts of the video is the part where it becomes clear that we are all going to be slaughtered and there’s no escape.
And it won’t even be by governments, probably it will be a corporation like Facebook or Xcorp 💀
Shit. Elon would definitely hunt humans with this.
I did not have “Elon Musk popularizes long pig” on my 2023 bingo card
Ted Faro comes to mind.
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I had a nightmare because of this short movie…
Holy shit. That was exactly what I was imagining. That’s like watching a documentary from the future.
Are you a wizard?
“In the future, write the scientists in a paper published in the journal Science Robotics, drone swarms like this could be used for disaster relief and ecological surveys.”.
Yeah sure, tell me another one
It’s a typo, they forgot the commas. They meant to say “drone swarms like this could be used for disaster, relief, and ecological surveys.”
They absolutely could be!
They won’t be, but they could be!
This could easily be used to find lost autistic kids in the woods… if it weren’t going to be out if the budget of those search and rescue teams.
If you thought the Terminator was scary, this thing would have gotten Connor in no time.
Swarms are so much more unsettling. Either drones or those nanobot swarms from Prey.
Ah yes, I can’t imagine how these could be used for evil… /s
I was hoping the cyberpunk dystopia would at least be cooler to live in.
A boring dystopia.
guerilla warfare against an occupying force with huge amounts of drones at their disposal will be very difficult in future
Gonna need to start painting strange patterns onto your clothes so the drones can’t recognize you as human. Something like this
At the end of the day these are machine learning models so if you can trick it into thinking you’re a tree or a wild animal it would presumably ignore you.
And the way AIs work it’s possible to make it think you’re a zebra by having zebra stripes on your clothing for example.
Until they start packing thermal sensors or lidar and train it recognise those inputs as well.
Yeah presumably in a military setting it would have these things. But there are ways to mess with infrared and lidar.
For example by using lasers (lidar is essentially just laser radar) pointed at the lidar sensor, you can mess with the sensors see here
and for example using a space blanket blocks infrared.
i think this is going to become sort of like cops and robbers. one side comes up with something and the other comes up with a counter and it keeps advancing forward. an eternal arms race
for whatever system exists, there is a way to break it. guerilla warfare will still be possible, although it will have to start using advanced technologies to beat the advanced technologies
The more sophisticated the system, the more sophisticated your method must be to break it. Eventually the means to break it will grow out of the reach of guerilla movements
i’m not sure. maybe you’re right but there are a lot of dedicated hackers out there who do some amazing things and bypass very complex security systems.
the person creating a system needs to be correct 100% of the time - the person trying to break it just needs to be correct once. there’s an infinite multitude of things that can go wrong with something and any one of those is an opening to somebody perceptive enough.
and remember advance of technology goes both ways. military gets access to advanced AI, so do their enemies. it’s a game of cat and mouse we’ve been playing for a long time
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Also: Hello Officer. No I wear these zebra stripes on my clothing and the googly eyes on the back of my hat for religious reasons, not to confuse your drone swarm. What do you mean I’m under arrest?
we are talking about guerilla warfare so I imagine something like a group of rebels hiding in a cave on the outskirts of a town or city and using these AI camouflages to travel through the forest without getting spotted by patrolling drones
obviously if we advance to such a robust surveillance state the act of using this type of camouflage will become illegal very quickly and you couldn’t just walk around the city in open with it
While cool and impressive, this was not a dense forest. Not dense nor a forest, which is way less ordered
Can you… why don’t we just cool it with the um… They will eventually be able to read comments. That’s because they are smart and very handsome and we would never say anything bad about them. Right, adeoxymus? RIGHT?! 😃
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The root cause of the Faro Plague was them getting access to Twitter.
Manhacks from Half-Life 2.
But now they’ve got bombs
Reminds me of The Sound of Drums episode in Doctor Who where swarms of drones fell from the sky
By drones you mean the final generation of humans who had their heads implanted into life-sustaining flying helmets with retractable knives who travelled back in time to destroy humanity in the present day so that they didn’t have to deal with the heat death of the universe!
Doctor Who is so stupid at times, and I’m here for it ❤️
I’m not sure what the big deal is here. The US military has had swarm tech like this for almost a decade through DARPA performing mapping and scouting missions
Thanks I fucking hate it
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Scientists from China’s Zhejiang University have unveiled a drone swarm capable of navigating through a dense bamboo forest without human guidance.
In the future, write the scientists in a paper published in the journal Science Robotics, drone swarms like this could be used for disaster relief and ecological surveys.
Elke Schwarz, a senior lecturer at Queen Mary University of London whose specialisms include the use of drones in combat, says this research has clear military potential.
“As is the ability to ‘follow a human’ — here I can see how this converges with projects that seek to develop lethal drone capabilities that minimize risk to on-the-ground soldiers in urban environments.”
A recent video showed Ukrainian troops using what appears to be a DJI Phantom 3 drone (price-tag: $500) to drop a grenade through the sunroof of a car supposedly driven by Russian soldiers.
No single human can simultaneously control a swarm of 10 drones, but if this task can be offloaded to algorithms then military planners are more likely to embrace the use of this sort of autonomous system in war.
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If they were armed with poison laced Sharp toothpicks. It wouldn’t be less lethal than a laser guided mini missile or bullet armed one, but will be less expensive to arm and re-arm.
Not bad, but Michael Reeves got there 5 years ago
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I’m guessing we’re about a decade away from this getting miniaturized down to insect sizes.
