• Carmakazi@lemmy.worldEnglish
    20·
    4 days ago

    If someone pontificates plainly and confidently on the necessity of intelligence/counterintelligence activity, what are the odds that they are a spy or agent themselves? One that, in their own moral framework, would be fair game to be captured and executed?

    • SGforce@lemmy.caEnglish
      15·
      4 days ago

      And apparently their friends and families too, “just in case”. Healthy tissue and all that…

    • PhilipTheBucket@piefed.socialEnglish
      6·
      4 days ago

      In their own moral framework, it’s okay to kill literally anyone, as long as you’re in charge and are willing to say a few words about “national security.” Good to know, I guess. Presumably they mostly live in places where that’s (for now 🥲) not the rule, and would be horrified if someone forced them to go back to places where that is the rule.

      Honestly, I think mostly what this means is that they’ve done a good enough job of chasing away all the reasonable people that they’ve entered into an increasing spiral at this point. Everyone has to be most unreasonable in order to stand out, and with no one sensible to compare themselves to, they have to get more and more outlandish in order to be the outlandish-est one.

    • goat@sh.itjust.worksMEnglish
      7·
      4 days ago

      It’s actually pretty common

      when they call others fascist, it’s usually projection

  • PhilipTheBucket@piefed.socialEnglish
    9·
    4 days ago

    There is yet another fundamental problem with this: It is absolutely possible to hold trials for people where some of the evidence is classified. The US does it all the time. The system that was set up for it post-9/11 is sorta bullshit, stacked in favor of the government to an almost unbelievable degree, but it does function well enough that the more authoritarian elements have been moaning about how horrible and unfair it is that they have to deal with the FISA courts instead of just “do what I say to this poor helpless person, because I am king.”

    Of course, now it’s all ICE, so they’re bypassing the courts entirely. But for over twenty years we were running semi-due-process trials that included secret information as evidence, for this exact reason.