Most of the teachers, under threat of unemployment, are from the fucking Red Run neo-Nazi Oblasts. The Blue States should offer them employment.
“It has been brought to my attention that some Florida educators have posted despicable comments on social media regarding the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk,” said the memo, signed by Florida education Commissioner Anastasios Kamoutsas. “I will be conducting an investigation of every educator who engages in this vile, sanctionable behavior.”
Oh shut the fuck up, you fucking chode. Please, kindly, go fuck yourself, loser.
Lol this is a trial run for Trump’s death. It won’t prevent us from celebrating. Fuck em.
I can smell liberty from here…
Teachers, just like every American, should be able to say what they want in their off time, especially politically. This is just another disgusting move by our country.
Canadian nurse was fired for anti trans post in her off time. It’s a bigger problem than people might think. Maybe the solution is stop posting online? I don’t know. Punishment for peoples personal opinions on the personal time/accounts is pretty dystopian.
Canadian nurse was fired for anti trans post in her off time.
Teacher -> personal opinion on politics = no intersection between job and statement. Nurse -> personal opinion on somebody else’s health and body autonomy = huge intersection between statement and job.
Pretending to not see the difference only makes you look worse, and an eight year old child would be able to break the argument using nothing but a sharpie and a piece of paper.
🤦🏻♂️ nope. The same rights apply to all, or none. Your personal options are yours regardless of your profession. Your don’t bring your personal problems to work, or your opinions. I guess if old people bother me, I shouldn’t ever be allowed to work in a retirement home? There’s a separation between your job and your personal life regardless of what they are or “how they could intersect”. If you can’t keep them separate, then there’s a problem.
Keep sniffing those sharpies.
Having a political opinion and hate speech are two different things. Teachers calling for deaths and nurses calling for the elimination of human beings rights should be subjected to scrutiny.
This is not a black and white issue.
I agree with you we should error on the side of caution and it is dystopian that something you say in a forum away from your job could cause you to lose it. What a strange world we live in.
I never said that it was hate speech, people don’t have to like minority groups if they don’t agree with them.
I said it on purpose because I knew where you were going. Not liking a minority group just because they exist is wrong and hateful.
You can post her message here and we can talk about it. Maybe she is just misinformed or it was taken out of context. I am curious now.
It’s not wrong, it’s wrong to discriminate against them because of it. You cannot force people to accept things they don’t agree with for what ever their reason.
Your not a bad person because your anti minority, your a bad person if you don’t treat them like human beings.
You saying that as long as someone does not act on their discrimination then it is okay to discriminate, just in their mind? I think this goes without saying, but I agree. We are not going to police people’s thoughts (don’t give Elon any ideas).
However being human beings, I would also argue that this is practically impossible. If a person discriminates against a minority in their mind they will do this in real life. While there may be some people who have the mental will power to accomplish this, the majority do not.
This is why we have social pressure against people who promote hateful messages. Especially if these hateful messages are directed at minorities. This is because it creates a discriminatory environment where they can’t coexist in.
So while I do agree with your thought experiment, I don’t think it has any practical application.
I may be reading between the lines here, but I am guessing you or someone you know holds anti-minority beliefs. We often struggle with trying to explain our or others irrational beliefs.
I do think it’s a difficult thing for most to do which is a big problem.
Given that all humans have a natural right to life, saying that a minority group shouldn’t exist because of who/what they are is literally the opposite of treating them as human beings. It’s hate speech, period.
Who said that they don’t have a right to exist? I don’t agree with the entire construct of religion or anything else to do with it. But I don’t act or say that they don’t have right to exist.
Hate speech crosses a line. There are exceptions to the first amendment. People can get sued for defamation. People can go to prison for making threats or conspiring to commit a crime. Hate speech directed at a protected class should also be punished.
I think anyone’s opinion can be considered hateful. There are many rules to what is classified as defamation to protect free speech. Saying you don’t like a group of people online is far from hate speech or defamation.
Which is why firing someone because you don’t agree with their personal opinions is fucked up, no matter what they are. It might be a bit different when your on broadcast news and “representing” the corporation.
I did specify protected class. That means no hate speech towards people based on race, culture, nationality, and ethnicity, gender and sexuality, religion, age, disability, etc.
Note that political affiliation and wealth are not protected classes.
I do not think it is dystopian or fucked up to fire someone because of hate speech. I would not want to be treated by a bigoted nurse. I wouldn’t trust that they would treat me properly. And I wouldn’t want to work with a bigoted person. I would be afraid of them. These people are bad for companies and cause loses. They should be fired. And that’s just looking at it from an economical point of view.
It sounds like you’re acting as Judge jury and executioner for somebody’s personal opinion. If it’s affecting their job or how they’re treating people that’s different. That’s a separate issue. But for somebody to make a joke or to express how they disagree with something And lose their job over it because the establishment they work for might not have the same view IS messed up. Your Personal views towards anything should not dictate whether or not you get to keep your job. It is your actions within the workplace that determine that.
The issue is that they are causing real harm by expressing those views. I know that there are people out there who hate me just because I exist and I know that will never change. While their words do not directly hurt me, they have the capability to incite physical violence against me which definitely can hurt me. It is not just me I worry about. My heart breaks for the victims of hate speech. People kill themselves because of it. People get murdered because of it. That is why it needs to be illegal.
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It is weird how “free speech” is there for the right, but not anyone else.
All non-fascists need to start punishing the fascists for their speech. We’ve been way too tolerant for way too long. Shout them down, ostracise, refuse service, etc.
I remember when Huckabee being denied a cheese plate or Rand Paul being followed by people asking him questions had them quaking in their boots and pretending they were being terrorized for such behaviors.
Imagine if it was a coordinated effort to just merely ostracize and verbally challenge these people? God, they’d be in a fetal position. They really do believe they are their god’s gift to humanity and NO ONE has any right to question them or push back even if ever so mildly.
I don’t just mean Huckabee and Rand Paul. I mean everyone with even so much as a whiff of MAGA about them, no matter how much of a nobody they are. I don’t care if it’s as mild as a little old lady in line with you at the damn grocery store check-out conversationally mentioning “hey it’s a shame about that man on TV being murdered, right?” Berate her until she fucking cries.
America is becoming a Nazi bar and it’s time to kick them all the fuck out!
Free speech, only if you are Charlie Kirk
I’m pretty sure he ended up paying for his
As an adjunct myself, wanted to see how widespread it is but this doesn’t seem to be. We’re usually first on the chopping block, but a dozen firings isn’t very many overall when there’s thousands of people teaching. I think similar happened when we celebrated Luigi, too, and both are pretty popular opinions with students.
Still, always be mindful of your online footprint and what you say in front of students in particular. You’re dealing with whole groups, so even if it’s a 90% popular opinion, you’ll get one asshole who may report you anyway. That includes religion, too, which is especially tricky when you’re an atheist teaching psychology and have to address shit regarding free will, evolution and why we have guilt and such.
But hey, we’re pretty fucking free to say what we want on Lemmy, it’s so obscure that I’m not even sure the government watches it.
First amendment for the, but not for me.
So, 1st ammendment is being suspended?
The first amendment has never protected people from losing their jobs. If I go in one day and call my boss an incompetent, micromanaging asshole, I’ll get fired. I can’t just yell first amendment and keep my job.
Now if you call your representative and tell them they’re an incompetent, cowardly, fascist piece of shit, and then you get arrested, well now that would be a first amendment issue.
unless they’re being fired because the president wants it that way
Unfortunately, most places in the US are at will employment, so it doesn’t really matter what was said, if an employer wants you gone, even if it’s due to outside pressures, they just have to say the word.
^ this - don’t sign at will contracts - push back (easier said when self employed)
Are teachers not government employees in America?
Not at private institutions.
It depends on the institution.
1st admendment has been fucked since the PATRIOT act
If ONLY they Would have Posted Charlie Kirk’s message of Murdering Gays and Blacks and Transgendered people INSTEAD then they would Still have Jobs!
And promoted.
That’s the truly fucked up thing here. It’s extremely asymmetrical.
They can say whatever they want and if you disagree your against free speech. The left can’t say shit as you’ll be arrested.
Can we get an image of that quote so it can be placed in every single comment to show the hypocrisy?
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This is all on purpose. It’s a campaign, not natural.
People hate me for talking about it, but read up on 5th and 4th generation warfare.
WW2 was generation 3 warfare. And it seems most people still think that if there’s a civil war or any war really, that the war is going to still be that outdated WW2 style warfare.
For the real players of power, nations are a tool in global control and nationalism truly does not matter in terms of loyalty.
Thanks you just sent me down a rabbit hole.
https://digital.sandiego.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1293&context=ilj
Summary: yeah, major governments legit do warfare by meme
I had that feeling growing up but not the words to put it in. That world war three won’t look like two and we’re probably in it right now (this was many years ago when different turmoil was happening.)
The other reply posted a link that I’d like to read because it looks fascinating which discusses the generations of warfare. I got through the abstract but it’s early rn so I’m not trying to get through the whole thing. It confirms what I felt all these years
What your clients are conservative the party of family values. How can they be.
Agent / manager
Agent/manager… Girls based in the US…This is an international agency? Many clients conservative isn’t surprising.
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Interesting. Do the girls also have bodyguards, or only if they personally hire someone else themselves?
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Thanks. Are the ladies paid a percentage plus any tips?
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That sounds like a sweetheart deal. I assume that covers necessary testing etc. Is there some sort of program for ladies who age out or become unwell? Do ladies pool money voluntarily to help each other in unfortunate events?
Edit: I’m sorry, I’m trying to frame these questions in a way that isn’t too intrusive. I’d wish for some sort of free-will alternative for the ladies in my area who are forced into bad marriages or working for bad pimps who get them hooked on substances, provide no security, no testing, physically abuse them and discard them when they’re used up for a 60-40 or 70-30 cut minus the drug bill, clothing, accomodations or whatever else they saddle the ladies with.
So you’re trafficking women. You’re a fucking shit bag who deserves nothing painless.
“Land of the free.”
Suuuuuuure…
better see some successful wrongful termination suits in the news
