Can you make the point without us having to watch a shitty short format video?
My condolences
There is a reason why they keep publishing new dictionaries.
Words are not concepts, meanings, or objects as such. They’re labels that signify those things.
Using words “wrong” and the “wrong” meaning gaining popularity is what a living language is.
This is not a living language. This is illiteracy. When you see the women in the video, she literally does not understand the words. That’s what’s happening with the english language and its speakers too.
she literally does not understand the words
What makes you think she does not understand the words?
the caption “0% understanding”
What makes you think the “caption” describes reality?
This is the worst possible example dude. Music is literally vibes in the most fundamental sense.
‘Vibes’ is recycled hippie slang for vibrations, the idea that things have metaphysical or abstract good or bad vibrations that affect the things around them. An idea rooted in an appreciation of musical vibrations, and the way different frequencies and patterns of vibrations affect us emotionally.
Music has always been all about the vibes, words are secondary.
Then music is a great example as you said vibes > words. The political discourse is a music audition to the best sounds, not the most logical or evidence based
The video 0% illustrates your point, unfortunately. They should really disable uploads in this community.
Also people, you included, learn words mostly through “vibes.” The fact that we both know what a vibe is…
The video shows a person who doesn’t understand the words but thinks it means something very good as evident by her estatic dancing. This is similar to saying mean things to a dog in a very happy tone so that it gets excited without knowing what you actually said
thinks it means something very good as evident by her estatic dancing
The fact that the woman is dancing ecstatically does not imply that she thinks the words in the song mean something good. The dancing is in response to the music, not the meaning of the words. One cannot draw any conclusions about the meaning of the words from the dancing.
Imagine if the words were english and were praising white supremacy (or something very bad). I predict she would understand not to dance to it, even though the music is the same
That does not seem like a safe prediction to me.
Could have used yourself as an example of someone who just knows the vibe of a word and not its definition
I actually don’t know what a vibe is. It is a new term that I used as it is commonly spoked and understood. I assume it is synonymous to aesthetics and system 1 thinking.
Sounds like you got the vibe of the word lol
What we can’t listen to foreign language music now?
This comment is a case study of someone not understanding words but just the vibe. Apparently the title had a vibe of “thou shall not listen to foreign language music” even though none of the words spoken said this.
And there’s even music that comes entirely without words. Instrumental music… Classical music… You can’t even rely on any sung or spoken words to consume those, because there are none… I think that demonstrates nicely that there’s more to music than words/text.
And then we have death metal which is impossible to understand, rave or EDM music with few words that aren’t what the song is about… Or pop songs with meaningless lyrics, so they don’t really transfer information…
But like… What’s the issue here?
The issue isn’t about music. It’s about how people online do not know what words mean. I’m not making any claims about music at all. The music in the video was helpful as an example of “unknown words”. It was a literary device. The way you do not know what is happening is a communication failure on my part and a literacy failure on yours
Yeah, but she’s not trying to understand any words in that instance. The video seems to be about the music… So either the issue is about music, or there is no issue demonstrated in the video. And furthermore, in case that video transports some kind of information… She’s also not using words for that either. But a different form of expression. She moves her body and face… She doesn’t speak, doesn’t listen to the words and that aligns nicely. We have lots of ways to express things and understand things. Language is one of them, yes. But there’s more and you can even deliberately ignore language. Or make it present but a weird additional layer. Like some music forms like grunted metal does. Or like that women does in two ways simultaneously.
As for the either/or, there’s a third option. That is, if you can dream and imagine. Y’know that famous speech, “I have a dream”? Yeah, that. Let’s dream of a third option. Or be like John Lennon and “imagine all the [options]”
I agree that body language is communicative, but it’s limited obviously, which is why language is so useful. When people are illiterate, they are restricted to impressions and emotions, like a caveman grunting.
Sure, language is super powerful. That’s why we use it a lot. And then there’s things where it’s not so great. Like if I had to describe the taste of a banana to someone. I’m pretty sure language won’t cut it and most I could do is convey that it’s sweet. Similarly everyone who is susceptible to music, knows there’s a lot of different aspects to it. It can bypass that part of the brain and directly make you feel things. You’d need several pages of words to maybe do a similar thing but I doubt you’d feel it the same way. I’d say it’s not even close. Similar things apply to dancing, pictures…
I think the main issue here is that we can mix things… “Happy” music can also contain words. But it depends on what you’re trying to achieve. You might or might not need to pay attention. It really depends.
Not my fault your word salad is indecipherable. Perhaps work on conveying your thoughts efficiently before trying to write as pompously as possible.
I am sure this “sounded good”, but my statements do not match the definition of word salad. This comment is another example of vibes instead of meaning
