I was just perusing the modlog when I noticed something interesting. Apparently posting news about Gaza/Palestine is not allowed on !worldnews@sh.itjust.works. I decided to check the side bar and didn’t see anything. The only pinned post also does not indicate that this is not allowed

edit: the mod in question is @Eyekaytee@aussie.zone . sorry for not originally tagging. i hadn’t realized it was a rule that this must be done. i thought it seemed inappropriate since i was trying to initiate a conversation about a community’s rules and culture rather than start drama about an individual

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    Russia doesn’t have the financial capital to be imperialist. It has every reason to want to,

    Funny how you say this but you MLs go on to admit that an economic system is determined by what is primary in it. Or isn’t this how dialectics works anymore 🤔

    Vanguards are the organized elements of the most politically advanced of the revolutionary class

    So elitism? Because if i remember correctly you have to be actually vetted by the aristocrats in order to join the political party in BOTH Cuba and China.

    Socialist states have achieved far more for their people than capitalist states at similar levels of development

    Another strawman? You’re on a roll today! If you go back and read what i said, i stated that you spend your time defending “regimes that actively suppress their well being”. These regimes being Russia and the DPRK. I never said anything about the actual or imagined benefits of socialism

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      Yes, private property is principle in the Russian Federation, it’s capitalist. It isn’t developed enough to be an imperialist country, export of capital is not the underlying factor running their economy, they produce most things they consume and don’t hold a major stock in the global largest companies or holdings.

      Secondly, no, vanguards are not “elitist,” and parties need to be able to expel wreckers and opportunists. There are no aristocrats in Cuba or China.

      Russia is capitalist, and I don’t defend that. As for the DPRK, they do have free healthcare, housing, no taxes, etc and are rebuilding after the US first committed genocide on them and later their largest trading partner collapsed. I support the right of the Korean people to chart their own destiny free of US imperialist aggression. They aren’t a perfect country, no, but at the same time they do generally have expanded safety nets, and the people do support their government.

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        Yes, private property is principle in the Russian Federation

        So is invasion of other states in order to assert dominance which is imperialist.

        vanguards are not “elitist,” and parties need to be able to expel wreckers and opportunists.

        And who exactly gets to determine who these “wreckers” and “opportunists” are?

        and the people do support their government.

        😂😂. Just the same way Turkmenistans support their government. I can’t believe this.

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          Russia is not at war with Ukraine “to assert dominance,” it wants the oblasts with seperatists and it wants NATO neutrality. War is not inherently imperialism, nor is annexing land, imperialism involves financial domination and export of capital.

          As for determining wreckers and opportunists, usually a combination of the party and the public proper.

          As for the DPRK, yes, the public generally supports the government. The harshest time in the history of the DPRK (outside of when the US was commiting genocide against Koreans on both sides of the parallel) was the Arduous March in the 90s, and yet the Korean people didn’t rebel. The economy is doing much better now, 3 decades on, and increased trade with Russia and China has been immensely helpful for their economy.

          You don’t have any points on anything.

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            Russia is not at war with Ukraine “to assert dominance,” it wants the oblasts with seperatists and it wants NATO neutrality. War is not inherently imperialism, nor is annexing land, imperialism involves financial domination and export of capital.

            Ah sorry i forgot we’re operating based on terms you create the definitions of. This is objectively a losing battle for anyone that doesn’t want to operate on your definitions.

            As for determining wreckers and opportunists, usually a combination of the party and the public proper.

            Hold on now that’s disingenuous. There are no instances where the public had a say in who gets to be labelled a traitor to the party.

            As for Turkmenistan, yes, the public generally supports the government.

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              I didn’t create the definition of imperialism. Most trace its modern analysis back to John A. Hobson, which is what I’m more adhering to. You don’t appear to have a coherent definition beyond a country getting involved with another along hostile lines, ie any millitary dispute is imperialist. It’s the kind of nonsense that leads people to say Hamas is imperialist, for example, or Ukraine for the Kursk attack that they held for a while.

              Secondly, yes, there absolutely are instances where the public has had a say. The most extreme example is the cultural revolution, but it’s happened outside of that. You keep making declarative claims that have no support.

              Your final point is a return to your favorite rhetorical fallacy of just replacing words with other words, which is even worse than the “whataboutism” you fail to identify.

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                I didn’t create the definition of imperialism. Most trace its modern analysis back to John A. Hobson

                I’m talking about MLs. Also funny how you mention Hobson even though many political scientists today no longer use Hobson’s definition as the standard which was what Lenin adopted to explain his own version of imperialism. Political scientists today use Michael Doyle’s definition of imperialism which goes:

                “Empire, then, is a relationship, formal or informal, in which one state controls the effective political sovereignty of another political society. It can be achieved by force, by political collaboration, by economic, social, or cultural dependence. Imperialism is simply the process or policy of establishing or maintaining an empire"

                I’m not gonna operate based on your definitions because your arguments concerning imperialism would then be irrefutable since they would be internally consistent.

                Secondly, yes, there absolutely are instances where the public has had a say. The most extreme example is the cultural revolution, but it’s happened outside of that. You keep making declarative claims that have no support.

                YOU’RE the one making declarative claims that you can’t support. The cultural revolution is NOT what we’re talking about here. I’m concerned about situations within the current PRC where citizens had a direct say in who got to be lynched from the party. You’re shifting the goalposts and it’s blatantly obvious.

                but it’s happened outside of that.

                Go on and give some examples…

                Your final point is a return to your favorite rhetorical fallacy of just replacing words with other words

                In this case it’s quite pertinent because both regimes subject their citizens to ideological entrampment. They don’t have a choice but to side with the regime. How can you claim you’re a Marxist but while staring blatant ideological brainwashing in the face mistake it for genuine support? This is ludicrous coming from you

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                  The definition you supported means literally any antagonistic relationship between states constitutes imperialism. Your refusal to use the consistent and historically correct understanding of imperialism is just you cedeing the point.

                  Secondly, the PRC doesn’t lynch opportunists, they expel them from the party. Part of why Xi Jinping has high support is because he ran an anti-corruption campaign, which increased in the 90s and 2000s. Here’s examples of people being removed from the party. Keep moving those goalposts!

                  Brainwashing doesn’t exist. The US invented the term during the Korean war to attempt to explain the ideological commitment of Chinese communists, and then launched project MKUltra to try to replicate it, which they failed to do. You have nothing to back you up, you operate by a non-falsifable orthodoxy.

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                    Your refusal to use the consistent and historically correct understanding of imperialism is just you cedeing the point.

                    No, I’m refusing to use Lenin’s definition. Don’t try to paint it like I’m going against an institution or something. If anyone’s doing that it’s you. I just told you the definition that i would prefer we stuck to is the standard for political theory. You’re the contrarian here.

                    Here’s examples of people being removed from the party. Keep moving those goalposts!

                    Mate you’ve moved the goalposts again🤣. Your claim was that both party officials AND the public proper get to determine who’s expelled from the party. You have failed to cite ONE example of where the non-party citizenry got to determine this. What you cited was only dissatisfaction from party officials. You have nothing here😂

                    The US invented

                    Continue to cope about the DPRK buddy👍