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The whole open source community loves Milkshake Laptops, a lovely laptop company that has ethical values! 5 seconds later We regret to inform you the laptop company stans fascists

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    If I’m tolerant of that, would you tolerate me? Where do we draw the line?

    You have to tolerate everyone until they are actively intolerant. If you jump the gun on not tolerating someone or something too early, then you’re being intolerant.

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      You have to tolerate everyone until they are actively intolerant

      We’re talking about fascists, them being intolerant is literally part of their description.

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        Beliefs are allowed to be intolerant, it’s acting upon them that is the issue. The tolerant utopia isn’t one where everyone agrees, it’s where everyone agrees to leave each other alone until someone isn’t leaving someone else alone.

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          Examples of acting upon your intolerance:

          • Spreading hate on social media
          • Giving money to those people
          • Voting for intolerance & hate (i.e. politically)
          • Helping them in their intolerance against others by actively tolerating them (tolerance paradoxon in action)

          Guess what applies to every fascist and company we’re currently talking about. They do not “leave others alone” as you put it, and Framework strengthens their position through willful ignorance. So for the love of anything that is good, stop with your rhetorical nonsense.

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          Isn’t preaching intollerance just a different mechanism to have others be victimized by intolerance?

          I mean, if you’re convincing others to do something, fully in the knowledge that they will do it, whilst you did not do the deed yourself you certainly purposefully made it happen.

          At the risk of Goodwin-ing my own post, Hitler didn’t directly murder many people (if any), yet he murdered millions.

          Or coming at it from another side, is somebody who gives rope to members of the KKK during a linching of a black person knowing that they’ll use it kill that person not acting intolerant?

          My point being that whilst the boundary between being deemed as acting intolerant or not is indeed as you say not merelly the holding intolerant beliefs, that boundary is also not all the way at only directly acting in intolerant ways being intolerant acting.

          It makes sense that preaching intolerance is acting in an intolerant way if one expects it will lead to acts of intolerance from others - it has the same objective, just using others as tools - and that at least some forms of knowingly supporting somebody who directly commits intolerant acts is itself an intolerant act because it knowingly enables the intolerant acts of others.