why is it that people say “all religions are bad” whenever a post involving islam shows up, but not when there’s a Christmas post, or is a picture of Easter bunnies…
People shit on Christianity all the time and it’s not like anyone at least here bats an eye. But when it’s Islam it’s “all religions are bad”. People are a bit more careful with Islam lol
I guess it’s in part because it’s hard to distinguish if the negative attitude toward Islam is racism or just against the religion. Christianity is viewed as white – at least that’s the impression I get – so that distinction doesn’t exist. It is interesting to see how the two are handled so differently
Because Christmas is a holiday and Islam is a religion? Christmas wasn’t even Christian until it was coopted by the Catholic Church. Many atheists celebrate it cause it’s more of a cultural holiday too. What an incredibly silly and disingenuous comparison.
I call bullshit on atheists celebrating Christmas.
If you celebrate it you’re Christian, feel free to call yourself cultural Christian or atheist Christian. but celebrating Christmas is a Christian thing.
I don’t believe in God and still celebrate my Jewish holidays, and I call myself an atheist jew, a common thing in Judaism.
and I call myself an atheist jew, a common thing in Judaism.
I don’t think it makes sense to equivocate Jewish identity with Christianity, because Christianity is a universal religion, not an ethnic religion. Atheists I know who celebrate Christian holidays don’t consider themselves Christian, Christianity is considered to be about the belief system, not the culture surrounding it. Any remaining Christian influence is treated more like a cultural tradition than a religious event. The way Christmas is celebrated in the ones I’ve been to, you could simply change the name and it would then be a completely secular feast. It’s derived from (not influenced by!) a pagan event, so most of its core features aren’t even related to Christianity in the first place, not even the date. Christianity is surprisingly arbitrary in Christmas.
Like you mentioned, Christian atheism appears to be an established concept in other countries, along with similar concepts like lapsed Catholics. I only personally know one person like this, who identifies as a Lutherian but not believing in a higher power, and other people I’ve mentioned it to consider that to be odd and contradictory.
It’s not even about declaring themselves default. Many countries used to have 90+% of population identifying as Christian, with persecution against non-Christians. Christianity was/is taught in schools, determines the public holidays, and was historically written into law, among a million other things. In these countries, they were the default. They were normal and their cultural legacy is still normal. Retaining the status quo of their traditions is not seen as religious celebration or worship, it’s spiritually empty.
Thought experiment: If a Christian attends a friend’s Hanukkah each year, watches the rituals and enjoys the food and company, do you believe this alone now makes them a Jew?
I mean… the Japanese who as a nation are mostly non-Christian and don’t know much about it beyond pop culture, celebrate Christmas. I mean it’s a couple’s holiday there, but they do all the superficial things around it. Plenty of non-Christians celebrate Christmas the way that many people celebrate Halloween. It’s just a fun little tradition cooped because a dominant culture enjoys it and doesn’t care too much if you don’t adhere to the heart, but just the ritual of it.
There are plenty of people who don’t know the first thing about what Christmas actually is that celebrate it.
Well what people are always going on about the paedophiles in the church. It’s like the first thing anyone ever comments whenever Christianity ever comes up.
Your just been selectively death when it comes to criticism.
I noticed that every post tangentially related to islam has comments condemning all religions, yet those comments are usually absent when the post is tangentially related to Christianity like a post about easter or Christmas.
IE, bringing up a Dawkins like atheism only when taking about a specific group, is just a lazy form of racism
why is it that people say “all religions are bad” whenever a post involving islam shows up, but not when there’s a Christmas post, or is a picture of Easter bunnies…
nice dogwhistle you got in there
People shit on Christianity all the time and it’s not like anyone at least here bats an eye. But when it’s Islam it’s “all religions are bad”. People are a bit more careful with Islam lol
example: https://lemmy.zip/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.mastodon.social%2Fmedia_attachments%2Ffiles%2F115%2F350%2F202%2F195%2F763%2F351%2Foriginal%2F77326b89fbff2e6a.png
no comment about “all religions are cancer”
because Christianity is treated like normal rather than a religion
I guess it’s in part because it’s hard to distinguish if the negative attitude toward Islam is racism or just against the religion. Christianity is viewed as white – at least that’s the impression I get – so that distinction doesn’t exist. It is interesting to see how the two are handled so differently
Yep, they are afraid of violent fundamentalists but also of liberals trying to cancel them…
Because Christmas is a holiday and Islam is a religion? Christmas wasn’t even Christian until it was coopted by the Catholic Church. Many atheists celebrate it cause it’s more of a cultural holiday too. What an incredibly silly and disingenuous comparison.
it’s always so funny, when people try to explain that Christ mass is not a Christian thing.
just because it has influences from cultures it engulfed it doesn’t mean that the holiday meant to celebrate Christ isnt Christian.
Whoa you got me by ignoring every point 🤡
I call bullshit on atheists celebrating Christmas.
If you celebrate it you’re Christian, feel free to call yourself cultural Christian or atheist Christian. but celebrating Christmas is a Christian thing.
I don’t believe in God and still celebrate my Jewish holidays, and I call myself an atheist jew, a common thing in Judaism.
I don’t think it makes sense to equivocate Jewish identity with Christianity, because Christianity is a universal religion, not an ethnic religion. Atheists I know who celebrate Christian holidays don’t consider themselves Christian, Christianity is considered to be about the belief system, not the culture surrounding it. Any remaining Christian influence is treated more like a cultural tradition than a religious event. The way Christmas is celebrated in the ones I’ve been to, you could simply change the name and it would then be a completely secular feast. It’s derived from (not influenced by!) a pagan event, so most of its core features aren’t even related to Christianity in the first place, not even the date. Christianity is surprisingly arbitrary in Christmas.
Like you mentioned, Christian atheism appears to be an established concept in other countries, along with similar concepts like lapsed Catholics. I only personally know one person like this, who identifies as a Lutherian but not believing in a higher power, and other people I’ve mentioned it to consider that to be odd and contradictory.
that’s some bullshit.
Christians declares themselves the default and therefore everything they do is “normal” rather than a Christian thing.
It’s not even about declaring themselves default. Many countries used to have 90+% of population identifying as Christian, with persecution against non-Christians. Christianity was/is taught in schools, determines the public holidays, and was historically written into law, among a million other things. In these countries, they were the default. They were normal and their cultural legacy is still normal. Retaining the status quo of their traditions is not seen as religious celebration or worship, it’s spiritually empty.
Thought experiment: If a Christian attends a friend’s Hanukkah each year, watches the rituals and enjoys the food and company, do you believe this alone now makes them a Jew?
I mean… the Japanese who as a nation are mostly non-Christian and don’t know much about it beyond pop culture, celebrate Christmas. I mean it’s a couple’s holiday there, but they do all the superficial things around it. Plenty of non-Christians celebrate Christmas the way that many people celebrate Halloween. It’s just a fun little tradition cooped because a dominant culture enjoys it and doesn’t care too much if you don’t adhere to the heart, but just the ritual of it.
There are plenty of people who don’t know the first thing about what Christmas actually is that celebrate it.
Well what people are always going on about the paedophiles in the church. It’s like the first thing anyone ever comments whenever Christianity ever comes up.
Your just been selectively death when it comes to criticism.
example:
https://lemmy.zip/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.mastodon.social%2Fmedia_attachments%2Ffiles%2F115%2F350%2F202%2F195%2F763%2F351%2Foriginal%2F77326b89fbff2e6a.png
no one mentions anything about pedos or"religions are cancer"
even though Christianity and Christian lore is the main focus of that post
You know damn well an Easter bunny is not comparable to burning a Quran. And plenty of people will say the same if you burn a Bible too
you missed my issue.
I noticed that every post tangentially related to islam has comments condemning all religions, yet those comments are usually absent when the post is tangentially related to Christianity like a post about easter or Christmas.
IE, bringing up a Dawkins like atheism only when taking about a specific group, is just a lazy form of racism