Religion is just believing without evidence. And with that “logic” you can make up anything and get people to believe in it. That is how every cult starts. A religion is just a long lasting cult. It is nothing more than a bit for control over people like you.
No wonder that the majority of religious people believe in the religion they were taught when they couldn’t think critically yet.
There are plenty of things that require belief without evidence that aren’t religion (conspiracy theories, pseudoscience). There are also religions that rely on science for answers, and so they do require evidence.
Yeah I’m totally flummoxed because I’m atheist so obviously I believe in the healing power of crystals. I don’t know what the scientific religion been alluded to is, but I’m assuming it’s Scientology, the fact that they think that shows you everything you need to know about them.
I’m afraid I don’t have time to answer all your hastily listed arguments with a well thought out response, so I’ll just pick one. You said religion is belief without evidence, but that’s faith. Religion is actually organised belief or worship. There are many religions that don’t require any faith to believe in.
For example many Buddhists don’t believe in any of the parts of the religion they consider supernatural, and instead focus on the philosophy and life advice, which is still religious in nature because of its organisation.
Worshippers of the Antichrist, Donald Trump, also don’t tend to believe without apparent evidence. The evidence they do believe in is all lies, but what they’re doing still isn’t faith. Being lied to with bad evidence isn’t faith.
And as a third example, the religion of Mammon, the worship of money, can be practiced entirely unknowingly and without the slightest suggestion of false belief. It’s clearly true that money runs the world, and many people worship money and capitalism because of its obvious and true power over us.
And I think if you don’t choose a religion consciously, then like many worshippers of Mammon, you may end up joining a system of organised worship unconsciously. The Lemmy developers are in a religion without knowing, it’s that easy.
It doesn’t matter how organised the belief is or how established the belief is, it’s still belief without evidence. I have no idea why you brought Trump up he has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever since his supporters don’t believe in him, they can see him right there in front of them. You don’t need to believe in things that demonstrably exist.
The Lemmy developers are Marxists, that’s a political opinion not a belief (for what it’s worth they would probably claim to be Christian). Do you seriously think it is impossible to hold opinions about any particular matter without them being religiously based, if so how does my preferred brand of peanut butter relate to religious dogma?
a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing. e.g. I believe in president Trump’s leadership
something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed. e.g. Donald Trump is truly one of the presidents of all time
conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence. e.g. *President Trump sure does exist, alright, I looked at the evidence and I believe he’s real.
Trump’s worshippers fit all three definitions for belief in Trump, even if you and I wish they wouldn’t fit the first.
I’m sorry you’ve been lead to believe that belief is only for things that aren’t true. I hope one day you learn how to believe in true things like staplers and giraffes.
Your condescending attitude not withstanding I’ll address your point.
We are talking about religious belief, no one religiously believes in Trump, now you can use the word to describe his supporters if you want, but it’s a corruption of the idea (and before you start “corruption” here refers to redefining a words original concept). They like him a lot, that’s it. You can’t believe in Trump any more than you can believe in potatoes.
As for the education system having failed me, I think we’re operating far beyond anything the education system ever bothered to tackle.
Now if we could stop talking about Trump that would be great, because despite the fact you think you’re being clever, he’s completely irrelevant to the concept of religion. Just like most people who are losing the arguement you have reframed it to talk about a different subject matter to try and make me argue a point which is miles away from the original talking point.
And why should everyone have a religion?
Religion is just believing without evidence. And with that “logic” you can make up anything and get people to believe in it. That is how every cult starts. A religion is just a long lasting cult. It is nothing more than a bit for control over people like you.
No wonder that the majority of religious people believe in the religion they were taught when they couldn’t think critically yet.
Look at their profile. You’re falling for a troll lol
There are plenty of things that require belief without evidence that aren’t religion (conspiracy theories, pseudoscience). There are also religions that rely on science for answers, and so they do require evidence.
Well I’m sold
Yeah I’m totally flummoxed because I’m atheist so obviously I believe in the healing power of crystals. I don’t know what the scientific religion been alluded to is, but I’m assuming it’s Scientology, the fact that they think that shows you everything you need to know about them.
That’s not the stellar arguement you think it is. Believing in aliens is also nonsense.
That’s my point.
I’m afraid I don’t have time to answer all your hastily listed arguments with a well thought out response, so I’ll just pick one. You said religion is belief without evidence, but that’s faith. Religion is actually organised belief or worship. There are many religions that don’t require any faith to believe in.
For example many Buddhists don’t believe in any of the parts of the religion they consider supernatural, and instead focus on the philosophy and life advice, which is still religious in nature because of its organisation.
Worshippers of the Antichrist, Donald Trump, also don’t tend to believe without apparent evidence. The evidence they do believe in is all lies, but what they’re doing still isn’t faith. Being lied to with bad evidence isn’t faith.
And as a third example, the religion of Mammon, the worship of money, can be practiced entirely unknowingly and without the slightest suggestion of false belief. It’s clearly true that money runs the world, and many people worship money and capitalism because of its obvious and true power over us.
And I think if you don’t choose a religion consciously, then like many worshippers of Mammon, you may end up joining a system of organised worship unconsciously. The Lemmy developers are in a religion without knowing, it’s that easy.
It doesn’t matter how organised the belief is or how established the belief is, it’s still belief without evidence. I have no idea why you brought Trump up he has no bearing on this conversation whatsoever since his supporters don’t believe in him, they can see him right there in front of them. You don’t need to believe in things that demonstrably exist.
The Lemmy developers are Marxists, that’s a political opinion not a belief (for what it’s worth they would probably claim to be Christian). Do you seriously think it is impossible to hold opinions about any particular matter without them being religiously based, if so how does my preferred brand of peanut butter relate to religious dogma?
I’m sorry that the education system has failed you so.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/belief
a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing. e.g. I believe in president Trump’s leadership
something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed. e.g. Donald Trump is truly one of the presidents of all time
conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence. e.g. *President Trump sure does exist, alright, I looked at the evidence and I believe he’s real.
Trump’s worshippers fit all three definitions for belief in Trump, even if you and I wish they wouldn’t fit the first.
I’m sorry you’ve been lead to believe that belief is only for things that aren’t true. I hope one day you learn how to believe in true things like staplers and giraffes.
Your condescending attitude not withstanding I’ll address your point.
We are talking about religious belief, no one religiously believes in Trump, now you can use the word to describe his supporters if you want, but it’s a corruption of the idea (and before you start “corruption” here refers to redefining a words original concept). They like him a lot, that’s it. You can’t believe in Trump any more than you can believe in potatoes.
As for the education system having failed me, I think we’re operating far beyond anything the education system ever bothered to tackle.
Now if we could stop talking about Trump that would be great, because despite the fact you think you’re being clever, he’s completely irrelevant to the concept of religion. Just like most people who are losing the arguement you have reframed it to talk about a different subject matter to try and make me argue a point which is miles away from the original talking point.