They can’t just quit. They’re under a signed contract, which can be penalized with jail time if breached. Refusing orders is also not as simple as it sounds. Each soldier has a duty to refuse an unlawful order. However, if you disobey a direct order, and it is later determined to have been a lawful one, you will now be punished for failing to obey orders, might be a slap on the wrist, might be a dishonorable discharge, or could even be a court martial with jail time.
That’s it exactly. I’m so sick of these dickheads jumping online and talking all the way out of their ass ‘just refuse unlawful orders, bro’. Like their COC isn’t gonna fuck them every kind of sideways for refusing orders via the UCMJ. Like, this isn’t spending a weekend in jail and then it’s over kinda shit, this will absolutely ruin your life. You could be spending years in the brig, reduced rank, reduced pay, possible dishonorable discharge while trying to fight the charges if you manage to win the case. On top of that, you want these soldiers/airmen to directly bring a legal fight to a federal administration that is likely to fuck them despite any legitimate grounds to refuse unlawful orders/conscientiously object? Get fucking real. Military personnel have the regular law AND the UCMJ to fucking deal with. These bros are fucking trapped.
Let me get this straight. You’re big and tough enough to volunteer to literally risk your life to uphold principles, to literally kill people, and destroy things. All of it, because you’re just that brave, and strong, and determined and disciplined. But, you’re afraid of a contract and some temporary jail time? Doing the right thing is now suddenly just unthinkably over the line because of a piece of paper?
I’m just completely done with this brain rot hero worship nonsense. FUCK THESE TROOPS and the sociopathic cheerleaders that get online and defend them constantly. You all are a big contributor to the destruction of our constitutional democracy.
Canadian here, so take this with a grain of salt. Honestly I find it a bit hard to be empathetic for people who signed up to be in the military and then don’t have the courage to stand up for the constitution which they swore an oath to. Granted, I understand the oath they swore was also to obey their president and their governor, and that the constitutionality of Trump’s orders is being actively debated, but if your own military force is occupying the land of your own citizens without their consent, you also have a responsibility to speak out. Granted, I understand national guardsmen also have restrictions in terms of their political activism, but they are not silenced. Where is the letter to the editor from the ~400k off-duty national guardsmen to denounce what effectively amounts for waging war against your own citizens?
Then fucking quit or refuse the orders.
They can’t just quit. They’re under a signed contract, which can be penalized with jail time if breached. Refusing orders is also not as simple as it sounds. Each soldier has a duty to refuse an unlawful order. However, if you disobey a direct order, and it is later determined to have been a lawful one, you will now be punished for failing to obey orders, might be a slap on the wrist, might be a dishonorable discharge, or could even be a court martial with jail time.
You also go to prison before you’re tried. Even if it’s an illegal order. And military prison isn’t a fun place.
That’s it exactly. I’m so sick of these dickheads jumping online and talking all the way out of their ass ‘just refuse unlawful orders, bro’. Like their COC isn’t gonna fuck them every kind of sideways for refusing orders via the UCMJ. Like, this isn’t spending a weekend in jail and then it’s over kinda shit, this will absolutely ruin your life. You could be spending years in the brig, reduced rank, reduced pay, possible dishonorable discharge while trying to fight the charges if you manage to win the case. On top of that, you want these soldiers/airmen to directly bring a legal fight to a federal administration that is likely to fuck them despite any legitimate grounds to refuse unlawful orders/conscientiously object? Get fucking real. Military personnel have the regular law AND the UCMJ to fucking deal with. These bros are fucking trapped.
Let me get this straight. You’re big and tough enough to volunteer to literally risk your life to uphold principles, to literally kill people, and destroy things. All of it, because you’re just that brave, and strong, and determined and disciplined. But, you’re afraid of a contract and some temporary jail time? Doing the right thing is now suddenly just unthinkably over the line because of a piece of paper?
I’m just completely done with this brain rot hero worship nonsense. FUCK THESE TROOPS and the sociopathic cheerleaders that get online and defend them constantly. You all are a big contributor to the destruction of our constitutional democracy.
Canadian here, so take this with a grain of salt. Honestly I find it a bit hard to be empathetic for people who signed up to be in the military and then don’t have the courage to stand up for the constitution which they swore an oath to. Granted, I understand the oath they swore was also to obey their president and their governor, and that the constitutionality of Trump’s orders is being actively debated, but if your own military force is occupying the land of your own citizens without their consent, you also have a responsibility to speak out. Granted, I understand national guardsmen also have restrictions in terms of their political activism, but they are not silenced. Where is the letter to the editor from the ~400k off-duty national guardsmen to denounce what effectively amounts for waging war against your own citizens?