• shawn1122@sh.itjust.works
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    Capitalism predates communism and has spent centuries chewing through human lives to get to it’s position of influence today. I refer you to the entirety of the colonial era.

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        Early communalism isn’t the same as future communism, Marx was only comparing the two modes of production as far as they both lack class, not beyond that. Communism is not a return to communalism, but an advancement beyond socialism, ie towards fully collectivized and interconnected production at a global scale.

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        Modern communism (is the age of industrialization) is essentially Marxism which is younger than capitalistic models.

        Hunter gatherer societies were egalitarian but its impossible to apply a pre-civilization framework to civilizational societies. So the fact that he referred to it as primitive communism is not an indictment on communism.

        Communism as a political movement was introduced by Marx and Engles. Only since then has it been attempted on a nation state level. Prior to this nearly every political and economic system was an autocracy or monarchy where the state administered private land ownership rights to lords. There are very few exceptions to this in civilizational history.

        So if we are looking at communism as a political and economic system as can be applied to modern civilizations ie. nation states, it is much younger than capitalism.

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          Technically utopian socialism, ie the socialism of Robert Owen, Saint-Simon, etc predates Marx and Engels. Marx and Engels created scientific socialism, which is where socialism began to really take off.