Waze is now also Google. Apple can and does extract/extort lots rent/ransom from Google. OSM doesn’t have the pockets. They, like lots of FOSS, undermine the whole scheme.
If it’s missing data (such as locations) that is the issue, then you can update the map yourself and help others migrate at the same time. Every little bit helps, even if you don’t plan on fully moving over. I’ve done over a thousand changes to my local area and it’s actually more accurate than Google Maps in a lot of the commercial areas. You don’t have to do a thousand things though, like I said, every little bit helps.
Of course, it doesn’t help for outside of your area if you only do changes locally, but if enough people were willing to update the map, things could change.
Adding onto that, the app StreetComplete makes contributing stupidly easy. You basically get a bunch of quests generatef around you with missing or potentially outdated data that you can fill in by answering simple questions. Basically Pokemon Go, but infinitely more useful.
Be realistic, not many people using apple devices (or any mobile devices tbh) are going to care or be intelligent enough to pull an open source alternative
this is me as well. I’m the /only/ person in my town that updates data on OSM, and if you leave the area its just a void of nothingness. Outside of the automatic survey info that gets added its a ghosttown.
I want to like OSM but, between the crappy UI on all the apps, and the lack of information, I couldn’t do it.
There are a few around me, but I still find very outdated info and make a bunch of updates. A business left a year ago, and I finally got around to replacing it with the new business.
OSM is great, but it’s super spotting for anything with any amount of variance. It’s fantastic for trains and whatnot that rarely change, but for what most people use Apple Maps/Google Maps for, it’s largely useless.
Bought from Apple. Voted with your wallet to support the walled garden infrastructure, gave up all of your software freedom for a shiny interface, blue bubbles, and some casual marketing.
And now that users like you realized how fucked you really are once Apple decides it’s time to extract more value from you, now you come crawling to the OSS community for a path out of the walled garden.
I mean, the community will still help you. But I can’t say I like Apple users after years upon years hearing them sing praises about the walled garden and worshipping the company’s abuses at every step of the way. At least we warned you about when this would happen, I suppose. Maybe some of them will realize their mistakes. I doubt it.
I had four android phones from three different manufacturers die in less than a year, one of them wouldn’t put out any updates after a year either. I went back to iPhone and it lasted for four years.
I’m not voting with my wallet, I’m picking the device that causes the least amount of headache and just fucking works when I need it to. I have to have one of these to keep my job.
Let me guess. You’re one of the people who compared a full priced iPhone to an entry level android and were upset that the $150-200 device wasn’t comparable? That’s like buying a chromebook and expecting it to have the same specs as a top of the line Macbook (you have to find a device that has bang for buck, not be a cheapskate)
Also, you can shop around and find a device with a support lifetime shown on their website. Google does it. Samsung does it. Oneplus does it. Even fucking Motorola does it. If you install something like PostmarketOS, you can get a support lifetime after the manufacturer stops caring as well. Or install something like GrapheneOS on the Pixel line that’s untethered from google. They have a support lifetime on their website too.
Not to defend the antagonistic guy above, but you’re either extremely unlucky or not being fully truthful. I’ve had nothing but Samsung flagships for over a decade and have had literally zero issues besides minor annoyances, especially with the Note line the last 5-6 years. iPhones aren’t built poorly, so I won’t rag on them. But to use your purely anecdotal evidence to declare Apple as offering a superior quality phone to all Android vendors, it feels dishonest as fuck.
You got me, I never used a Oneplus phone. I have used Samsung, Pixel, and Motorola phones in the past though, (Note 9, S23, Pixel 9, Moto G5 and G6), and can confirm their support lifetimes were accurate. (I sold my S23 to buy a Pixel 9 to install GrapheneOS).
GrapheneOS and PostmarketOS are independently developed forks, not a “hacked android rom” (I guess you’re saying that to demonize the projects and imply ineptitude?), and have hardware support lists along with expected security support lifetimes if you’re willing to look.
Also, as I mentioned to the other commenter, every manufacturer should list the EOL support dates on their website. Just read that, and then pick accordingly. Or, and crazy thought here - look around for community reviews and recommendations! Don’t just go off Apple’s marketing! Wild concept!
(Also pinephone and Fairphone are two examples of Linux phones, but they aren’t super fleshed out yet so I wouldn’t recommend them either. Just find a device with a good EOL date and an unlocked bootloader.)
The next headline will read, OpenStreetMaps gains users as Apple adds ads to maps.
After that, Apple would ban OSM apps from their store.
I could totally see this happen.
Not in a direct manner, but something about “OSM not living up to Apple’s high standards of privacy” or similar strategy.
why would they do that when Google Maps and Waze are already bigger competitors?
Waze is now also Google. Apple can and does extract/extort lots rent/ransom from Google. OSM doesn’t have the pockets. They, like lots of FOSS, undermine the whole scheme.
I wish it were good enough to be a viable alternative but it really isn’t.
If it’s missing data (such as locations) that is the issue, then you can update the map yourself and help others migrate at the same time. Every little bit helps, even if you don’t plan on fully moving over. I’ve done over a thousand changes to my local area and it’s actually more accurate than Google Maps in a lot of the commercial areas. You don’t have to do a thousand things though, like I said, every little bit helps.
Of course, it doesn’t help for outside of your area if you only do changes locally, but if enough people were willing to update the map, things could change.
Adding onto that, the app StreetComplete makes contributing stupidly easy. You basically get a bunch of quests generatef around you with missing or potentially outdated data that you can fill in by answering simple questions. Basically Pokemon Go, but infinitely more useful.
It’s not. It’s that the apps that use it have bad UIs and/or don’t support CarPlay. I haven’t found an alternative yet that was usable day to day.
To each their own I suppose. CoMaps is great for me, and I’ve never used carplay.
i recommend people get streetcomplete too so you can help build out osm! :)
Be realistic, not many people using apple devices (or any mobile devices tbh) are going to care or be intelligent enough to pull an open source alternative
won’t care? yeah probably. aren’t intelligent enough? that’s an insane generalization, knowledgeable about technology ≠ smart
I mean there might be a correlation who knows
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this is me as well. I’m the /only/ person in my town that updates data on OSM, and if you leave the area its just a void of nothingness. Outside of the automatic survey info that gets added its a ghosttown.
I want to like OSM but, between the crappy UI on all the apps, and the lack of information, I couldn’t do it.
There are a few around me, but I still find very outdated info and make a bunch of updates. A business left a year ago, and I finally got around to replacing it with the new business.
OSM is great, but it’s super spotting for anything with any amount of variance. It’s fantastic for trains and whatnot that rarely change, but for what most people use Apple Maps/Google Maps for, it’s largely useless.
What the heck did I (an iOS user) do to hurt you???
Bought from Apple. Voted with your wallet to support the walled garden infrastructure, gave up all of your software freedom for a shiny interface, blue bubbles, and some casual marketing.
And now that users like you realized how fucked you really are once Apple decides it’s time to extract more value from you, now you come crawling to the OSS community for a path out of the walled garden.
I mean, the community will still help you. But I can’t say I like Apple users after years upon years hearing them sing praises about the walled garden and worshipping the company’s abuses at every step of the way. At least we warned you about when this would happen, I suppose. Maybe some of them will realize their mistakes. I doubt it.
I had four android phones from three different manufacturers die in less than a year, one of them wouldn’t put out any updates after a year either. I went back to iPhone and it lasted for four years.
I’m not voting with my wallet, I’m picking the device that causes the least amount of headache and just fucking works when I need it to. I have to have one of these to keep my job.
Let me guess. You’re one of the people who compared a full priced iPhone to an entry level android and were upset that the $150-200 device wasn’t comparable? That’s like buying a chromebook and expecting it to have the same specs as a top of the line Macbook (you have to find a device that has bang for buck, not be a cheapskate)
Also, you can shop around and find a device with a support lifetime shown on their website. Google does it. Samsung does it. Oneplus does it. Even fucking Motorola does it. If you install something like PostmarketOS, you can get a support lifetime after the manufacturer stops caring as well. Or install something like GrapheneOS on the Pixel line that’s untethered from google. They have a support lifetime on their website too.
2 of them were Galaxy Notes and others were flagships as well. Quit being a douche.
Not to defend the antagonistic guy above, but you’re either extremely unlucky or not being fully truthful. I’ve had nothing but Samsung flagships for over a decade and have had literally zero issues besides minor annoyances, especially with the Note line the last 5-6 years. iPhones aren’t built poorly, so I won’t rag on them. But to use your purely anecdotal evidence to declare Apple as offering a superior quality phone to all Android vendors, it feels dishonest as fuck.
lol now we know you’re full of shit.
You got me, I never used a Oneplus phone. I have used Samsung, Pixel, and Motorola phones in the past though, (Note 9, S23, Pixel 9, Moto G5 and G6), and can confirm their support lifetimes were accurate. (I sold my S23 to buy a Pixel 9 to install GrapheneOS).
I don’t think you people fully grasp how insufferably dumb you seem with these opinions.
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GrapheneOS and PostmarketOS are independently developed forks, not a “hacked android rom” (I guess you’re saying that to demonize the projects and imply ineptitude?), and have hardware support lists along with expected security support lifetimes if you’re willing to look.
Also, as I mentioned to the other commenter, every manufacturer should list the EOL support dates on their website. Just read that, and then pick accordingly. Or, and crazy thought here - look around for community reviews and recommendations! Don’t just go off Apple’s marketing! Wild concept!
(Also pinephone and Fairphone are two examples of Linux phones, but they aren’t super fleshed out yet so I wouldn’t recommend them either. Just find a device with a good EOL date and an unlocked bootloader.)
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Oooo nononono, I meant them as different things. My bad.