Imagine that, that different tools have different workflows. How utterly awful.
And you are not sorry at all.
But hey you like windows, being vendor locked in, getting spied upon, having to deal with shitty decisions and bloat. That’s your prerogative. We don’t.
Are you really that dense? Different tools don’t equal different workflows. It means some things aren’t possible on kdenlive that people need to use in their professional work.
That’s like saying paint is a replacement for Photoshop. Enjoy trying to professionally edit photos with paint.
But hey, you like Linux, trying to troubleshoot why your graphics card doesn’t work, begging companies to release a Linux version of software, trying to hunt around for hardware that supports your Linux distribution.
Are you really that dense? Different tools don’t equal different workflows. It means some things aren’t possible on kdenlive that people need to use in their professional work.
Yes, tools that aren’t drop-in replacement have often different workflows. thats simply a fact. It doesn’t imply that those tools have features that aren’t available in others.
That’s like saying paint is a replacement for Photoshop. Enjoy trying to professionally edit photos with paint.
your words, not mine. You can pretty much do nearly everything in krita that you can do in photoshop. Perhaps RAW support isnt there though.
But hey, you like Linux, trying to troubleshoot why your graphics card doesn’t work, begging companies to release a Linux version of software, trying to hunt around for hardware that supports your Linux distribution.
I am very happy with my AMD CPU and GPUs, thank you very much.
Lmfao. Enjoy your last gen ray tracing and garbage FSR.
yawns i don’t care about overpriced ray tracing at all. I care about cost and power efficiency. Something team green can only dream about.
I am not telling you, creep. When someone doesn’t want to answer personal info, stop asking. It’s sad you need to be told this.
lol as if stating in which general branch your professional business is, is worth anything. I just wanted to know what kind of need on software you would have.
Lmao Linux users cope with the “I don’t care, I don’t even want it” excuses. Comes out so naturally when you have to give up nearly everything on Linux.
I don’t want to answer you, stop asking, creep. Get the hint.
Lmao Linux users cope with the “I don’t care, I don’t even want it” excuses. Comes out so naturally when you have to give up nearly everything on Linux.
I care about cost and power efficiency. Something team green can only dream about.
i told you my reasons.
I don’t want to answer you, stop asking, creep. Get the hint.
Yes, tools that aren’t drop-in replacement have often different workflows. thats simply a fact. It doesn’t imply that those tools have features that aren’t available in others.
You can pretty much do nearly everything in krita that you can do in photoshop. Perhaps RAW support isnt there though.
What I said is: Krita can do many things that Photoshop (pixel manipulation, layer effects, pathing, animation etc.) can also do. But on other fronts, like RAW Manipulation (like non-destructive Editing) or croppin g, it may fall short. So what can you do to mitigate that? Adjust your workflow by introducing, if possible, other tools that can do those things.
Linux runs like 90% of the world’s servers. You can’t even get half of Microsoft’s shitty software on AWS. Not to mention that development outside of C# (even that’s a pain in the ass to deploy) on Windows is an exercise in BDSM.
But sure buddy, whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night. I’m sure you’re making 10x more money than the rest of us as a (checks notes) photo and video editor 🙄
Linux having dominate market share in the server market doesn’t mean anything when it comes to the desktop market. Proton isn’t making Drive for servers, it’s a consumer product.
I don’t know what the person you replied to does for a living, but a lot of people make a shit load of money using some of the software mentioned, not that it should matter either way.
People like you give Linux users a bad name. You’re either a troll or too dogmatic to have any common sense.
Well, you know, for starters I don’t pull up posts about Windows and go through the comments flinging shit like Polar did here. But sure, I’m the troll for telling the troll his way isn’t the only way.
Commercial app support has always been a weakness of the Linux desktop. That’s nothing new. The only thing really helping is Electron (for better or worse), but that isn’t ideal for media apps.
As much as I’d love to use the Gimp for all my photo needs, it’s not as good as Photoshop or Affinity Photo. I gave up even trying years ago. Can someone get the job done… sure. Can they do it faster and easier on an OS with more commercial app support, probably. That doesn’t mean Linux sucks, it just isn’t perfect for everything. This isn’t even a flaw with the OS, just its low market share and ethos have kept commercial apps away, which in turn hurts its ability to grow. It’s kind of a chicken and egg problem.
They totally are the same thing, it’s called a Linux Distribution and you run the same exact software that runs on a server. There’s not Debian Desktop and Debian Server, it’s just one distribution. It’s clear you’re just looking to be dismissive without really understanding what you’re talking about.
It’s not like whatever software you can’t do your job without would have to be written twice for Linux Servers and Desktops, it’s the same thing. Where again is this distinction you’re trying to make?
Debian doesn’t make that distinction, but Ubuntu does. And even on the distros that don’t, you’d have to be an idioit to deny that the suite of applications desktop users use and the suite of applications you would ever, and I mean ever, deploy on a server have pretty close to zero overlap.
That’s great you found a distribution that has two different images, one for desktop and and one for server. Does that mean that the desktop version of Ubuntu isn’t a “real” operating system as Polar says? Only the server distribution is a “real” operating system? That was the whole crux of the argument to begin with.
No, it’s saying that your “proof” that Linux is a viable operating system in all spaces simply because it is the primary operating system in the server space is invalid.
This is not a very “real” response of you. Your response isn’t applicable to all problem domains. Let’s just keep moving the argument to whatever imaginary boundary fits your personal opinion.
Edit: I’m just as big of an idiot for trying to argue with polar’s toothless and subjective “real” claim as I am with you about some pointless server shit. They all use the same packaged software anyways! 😂
Literally what? “Linux is good on the desktop because Apache isn’t available for Windows” is a non-argument. End users don’t care that Linux can run server software, and people who own servers don’t care that Linux can run a desktop. The fact that both can use the same kernel, userspace, and package manager does not change the fact that there is a very real dichotomy. You might as well argue that MacOS is good for gaming because it can run productivity software just fine, and the latest Macs have GPUs that are (according to Apple’s inscrutable benchmarks, anyway) as good as a midrange NVidia chip.
Authors of server software develop primarily for Linux. This is great, but not especially useful to desktop users, who have no use for server software, and who productivity software developers and game developers frequently ignore. None of that has ANYTHING to do with whether or not Linux is a “real” operating system. What Polar was trying to argue was that Linux is not viable for desktop use since it is rarely if ever considered by authors of software that desktop users actually need.
The distinction I am making is that most software developers don’t consider Linux Desktop a real OS, and that’s why Linsux nerds are begging for developers to release Linux versions.
Linux isn’t trying to compete with Windows for the desktop market. Making fun of it for failing to do that is dishonest at best. It caters to the very specific needs and wants of programmers, and it does that incredibly well. The fact that it can now run some quite high-end art and video production packages is a bonus, and if Linux is one day able to present itself as a viable alternative to Apple’s walled garden and Microsoft’s data-mining adware, so much the better, but no one with an ounce of sense (coughgardinerbryantcough) would seriously argue that Linux will be ready for mass adoption at any point within the next ten years.
Linux isn’t trying to compete with Windows for the desktop market. Making fun of it for failing to do that is dishonest at best.
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It caters to the very specific needs and wants of programmers, and it does that incredibly well.
Too bad Linux users don’t understand this. Lemmy is full of Linux nerds acting like Linux is a viable replacement to Windows/MacOS, when it’s not for the majority of users.
The fact that it can now run some quite high-end art and video production packages is a bonus
Ya, despite the fact Davinci free cannot edit h.264 or h.265 video on Linux, or that neither the free or PAID versions can use AAC audio. Very professional.
but no one with an ounce of sense (coughgardinerbryantcough) would seriously argue that Linux will be ready for mass adoption at any point within the next ten years.
I stand by my point that no one with an ounce of sense will seriously argue that Linux is ready for mass adoption. The extremely vocal minority that does not have an ounce of sense does not invalidate my point.
Kdenlive isn’t a replacement for Davinci or Premiere, sorry.
I rely on either Affinity Designer or Adobe Illustrator to run my business. Inkscape and Krita are not capable of professional work.
I pay for Proton, so I am not going to say fuck it because they, like most companies, don’t look at Linux Desktop as a real OS. Sorry.
How so?
They lack the features and tools.
Such as?
Why not? Because the tools are different?
Imagine that, that different tools have different workflows. How utterly awful.
And you are not sorry at all.
But hey you like windows, being vendor locked in, getting spied upon, having to deal with shitty decisions and bloat. That’s your prerogative. We don’t.
What’s your professional business anyway?
Are you really that dense? Different tools don’t equal different workflows. It means some things aren’t possible on kdenlive that people need to use in their professional work.
That’s like saying paint is a replacement for Photoshop. Enjoy trying to professionally edit photos with paint.
But hey, you like Linux, trying to troubleshoot why your graphics card doesn’t work, begging companies to release a Linux version of software, trying to hunt around for hardware that supports your Linux distribution.
Yes, tools that aren’t drop-in replacement have often different workflows. thats simply a fact. It doesn’t imply that those tools have features that aren’t available in others.
your words, not mine. You can pretty much do nearly everything in krita that you can do in photoshop. Perhaps RAW support isnt there though.
I am very happy with my AMD CPU and GPUs, thank you very much.
so what is it?
Lmfao. Enjoy your last gen ray tracing and garbage FSR.
I am not telling you, creep. When someone doesn’t want to answer personal info, stop asking. It’s sad you need to be told this.
yawns i don’t care about overpriced ray tracing at all. I care about cost and power efficiency. Something team green can only dream about.
lol as if stating in which general branch your professional business is, is worth anything. I just wanted to know what kind of need on software you would have.
Lmao Linux users cope with the “I don’t care, I don’t even want it” excuses. Comes out so naturally when you have to give up nearly everything on Linux.
I don’t want to answer you, stop asking, creep. Get the hint.
i told you my reasons.
okay punk. have a shitty day man.
Class. Telling me to have a shitty day because I asked you not to keep asking me about private information. Take the hint. Back off, creep.
Pick a lane, dude.
I’ll take every lane.
You can’t have both.
don’t cite something I’ve never said.
What I said is: Krita can do many things that Photoshop (pixel manipulation, layer effects, pathing, animation etc.) can also do. But on other fronts, like RAW Manipulation (like non-destructive Editing) or croppin g, it may fall short. So what can you do to mitigate that? Adjust your workflow by introducing, if possible, other tools that can do those things.
Linux runs like 90% of the world’s servers. You can’t even get half of Microsoft’s shitty software on AWS. Not to mention that development outside of C# (even that’s a pain in the ass to deploy) on Windows is an exercise in BDSM.
But sure buddy, whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night. I’m sure you’re making 10x more money than the rest of us as a (checks notes) photo and video editor 🙄
Linux having dominate market share in the server market doesn’t mean anything when it comes to the desktop market. Proton isn’t making Drive for servers, it’s a consumer product.
I don’t know what the person you replied to does for a living, but a lot of people make a shit load of money using some of the software mentioned, not that it should matter either way.
People like you give Linux users a bad name. You’re either a troll or too dogmatic to have any common sense.
Well, you know, for starters I don’t pull up posts about Windows and go through the comments flinging shit like Polar did here. But sure, I’m the troll for telling the troll his way isn’t the only way.
Commercial app support has always been a weakness of the Linux desktop. That’s nothing new. The only thing really helping is Electron (for better or worse), but that isn’t ideal for media apps.
As much as I’d love to use the Gimp for all my photo needs, it’s not as good as Photoshop or Affinity Photo. I gave up even trying years ago. Can someone get the job done… sure. Can they do it faster and easier on an OS with more commercial app support, probably. That doesn’t mean Linux sucks, it just isn’t perfect for everything. This isn’t even a flaw with the OS, just its low market share and ethos have kept commercial apps away, which in turn hurts its ability to grow. It’s kind of a chicken and egg problem.
I said desktop. You literally quoted it.
Linux server and Linux desktop aren’t the same thing.
They totally are the same thing, it’s called a Linux Distribution and you run the same exact software that runs on a server. There’s not Debian Desktop and Debian Server, it’s just one distribution. It’s clear you’re just looking to be dismissive without really understanding what you’re talking about.
It’s not like whatever software you can’t do your job without would have to be written twice for Linux Servers and Desktops, it’s the same thing. Where again is this distinction you’re trying to make?
Debian doesn’t make that distinction, but Ubuntu does. And even on the distros that don’t, you’d have to be an idioit to deny that the suite of applications desktop users use and the suite of applications you would ever, and I mean ever, deploy on a server have pretty close to zero overlap.
That’s great you found a distribution that has two different images, one for desktop and and one for server. Does that mean that the desktop version of Ubuntu isn’t a “real” operating system as Polar says? Only the server distribution is a “real” operating system? That was the whole crux of the argument to begin with.
No, it’s saying that your “proof” that Linux is a viable operating system in all spaces simply because it is the primary operating system in the server space is invalid.
This is not a very “real” response of you. Your response isn’t applicable to all problem domains. Let’s just keep moving the argument to whatever imaginary boundary fits your personal opinion.
Edit: I’m just as big of an idiot for trying to argue with polar’s toothless and subjective “real” claim as I am with you about some pointless server shit. They all use the same packaged software anyways! 😂
Literally what? “Linux is good on the desktop because Apache isn’t available for Windows” is a non-argument. End users don’t care that Linux can run server software, and people who own servers don’t care that Linux can run a desktop. The fact that both can use the same kernel, userspace, and package manager does not change the fact that there is a very real dichotomy. You might as well argue that MacOS is good for gaming because it can run productivity software just fine, and the latest Macs have GPUs that are (according to Apple’s inscrutable benchmarks, anyway) as good as a midrange NVidia chip.
Authors of server software develop primarily for Linux. This is great, but not especially useful to desktop users, who have no use for server software, and who productivity software developers and game developers frequently ignore. None of that has ANYTHING to do with whether or not Linux is a “real” operating system. What Polar was trying to argue was that Linux is not viable for desktop use since it is rarely if ever considered by authors of software that desktop users actually need.
The distinction I am making is that most software developers don’t consider Linux Desktop a real OS, and that’s why Linsux nerds are begging for developers to release Linux versions.
Linux isn’t trying to compete with Windows for the desktop market. Making fun of it for failing to do that is dishonest at best. It caters to the very specific needs and wants of programmers, and it does that incredibly well. The fact that it can now run some quite high-end art and video production packages is a bonus, and if Linux is one day able to present itself as a viable alternative to Apple’s walled garden and Microsoft’s data-mining adware, so much the better, but no one with an ounce of sense (coughgardinerbryantcough) would seriously argue that Linux will be ready for mass adoption at any point within the next ten years.
200120022003200420052006200720082009201020112012201320142015201620172018201920202021202220232024 IS THE YEAR OF LINUX!!!Too bad Linux users don’t understand this. Lemmy is full of Linux nerds acting like Linux is a viable replacement to Windows/MacOS, when it’s not for the majority of users.
Ya, despite the fact Davinci free cannot edit h.264 or h.265 video on Linux, or that neither the free or PAID versions can use AAC audio. Very professional.
You’ve guys been saying this for decades lol.
I stand by my point that no one with an ounce of sense will seriously argue that Linux is ready for mass adoption. The extremely vocal minority that does not have an ounce of sense does not invalidate my point.
So nuanced and articulate