• frostbiker@lemmy.ca
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    Burning a symbol to upset people is a shitty thing to do, but it should not be illegal.

    Assaulting people, whether they burned a symbol you like or not, is a shitty thing to do that should remain illegal.

    And yes, some people in my country have burned symbols that represent people like me recently. Nobody from my community assaulted the people who did it in response. Just the way it should be.

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      Why not? Why do people need to burn anything in public? Just behave like normal people already

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      The burning of qurans is clearly meant to incite hate and violence though, and frankly people shouldn’t be burning anything in public anyways.

      They’re still perfectly free to invite anyone to their backyard book burnings, don’t act like this is some authoritarian limit on freedom, this is an active intervention to PRESERVE freedom from the nazis who want to take it from us.

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        I do not approve of burning holy books, but I think it should be legal.

        What people shouldn’t do and what should be banned are different things. I don’t want to live in a place where what is not mandatory is banned. There has to be some room for freedom of expression, even for people expressing ideas we dislike.

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          I do not approve of burning books, full stop. I couldn’t care less whose imaginary friend the book is or isn’t about.

          But I completely agree that the government should categorically not be legislating which books you can and cannot burn. Burning a book is a form of free speech. It’s often offensive to many people, but it’s still important - if for no other reason than it lets the people doing the burning show their true colors.

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            Burning a book is a form of free speech. It’s often offensive to many people, but it’s still important - if for no other reason than it let’s the people doing the burning show their true colors.

            Yes! That’s something I have also thought about. When some angry folks burned the rainbow flag this summer, I was unhappy that they did, but glad that they showed their intolerance publicly so that we can learn about who they are.

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            Exactly. People can burn anything they want in their backyard. Just keep out of public spaces

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          And it remains legal, you just can’t do it in public.

          Feel free to buy a cartload of qurans to use for your backyard barbeques.

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          There has to be some room for freedom of expression, even for people expressing ideas we dislike.

          And there still is plenty of room of public expression of opinions without burning a book representing a religious group. Seriously there are thousands of ways to do so.

          But European countries did learn some lessons and that’s why some actions such as calling for religious or other minority groups to be killed or to intimindate such groups with displays of violence isn’t allowed in many of them. And burning a religious book in public is such an act of intimidation which serves absolutely no constructive purpose. That’s why many European countries don’t allow such behaviour.

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            You act like there would be less of a reaction if people ripped up, walked on, or in other ways desecrated the Quran. This isn’t about book burning, this is about a group of people not tolerating that on of their symbols is desecrated.

            Imagine if we prosecuted people for burning flags or signs with slogans… but maybe you think that should be illegal as well?

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            Doyou care if I burn a stack of paper? Then you shouldn’t care if I burn a fucking book.

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              I certainly care if you burn a stack of paper in the middle of the street, there’s no good reason to do it and it’s a public danger.

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                Okay, people will rip the holy book of the week instead. You may not have a good reason to do it, but others should be free to do so.

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            that’s why some actions such as calling for religious or other minority groups to be killed or to intimindate such groups with displays of violence isn’t allowed in many of them

            Then why are you giving groups who threaten violence an incentive to do that more often by giving in to their demands?

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              So we now should base our laws only on doing the opposite of what a few lunatics demand regardless on how it will affect a lot more people? I really don’t think so.

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              Well, rightwing people have proved over and over again that they’re willing to not only burn books but to burn people.

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                So we should make action A by right-wing people illegal because they are known to do action B?

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                Buddy, the people getting angry over the quran burnings are also right wing. They indeed have shown they are willing to burn people.

                I just think we shouldn’t tolerate intolerance, from christians or muslims alike.

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        I think it should be allowed in any way anything else can be burned in public by an individual. If a group or organization is burning stuff I think its fine to put limits. That being said I don’t think individuals should have a lot of rights to set things ablaze in public. If someone wants to sell a chimney sweep koran or toilet paper with suras it should be fine though but hey no reason it can’t be bibles and verses or flags and pictures of politicians or whatever. Its crass and such but really the people being offended should just tit for tat it and make their own crass thing or whatever.