People here (just lemmy generally) tend to be completely irrational and anal about terms and just want to dunk on the establishment while having no actual plans to achieve their goals.
Basically, most people here (myself included) are progressives, in favour of many socialist elements in the short term and even more in the longer term, and there are some lunatics who somehow want soviet union style socialism (not realizing that that would obviously and inherently immediately lead to the type of corruption we saw there).
They are quite displeased with the democrats in the US who they view as (and I agree) center right neoliberals, which just basically means they’re mostly fine with things continuing as is, sans the most obvious horrific things.
They frequently fail to realize that because there is a 2 party system (as its winner takes all/first past the post) that the literal only way to get any progressive momentum is through continued strong support of said democrats (or whatever major party is closest to their views) whilst using primaries, local and state politics (or equivalents for other countries) to shift them towards being progressive, and so they love to make edgy memes about revolutions they will never carry out (because that’s easy, fun, and doesn’t require real work) rather than the boring, unfun, actionable plans that do work.
Just to be clear, of course my criticisms apply for the people being impractical, and not the practical progressives, protesting, still voting, etc etc.
This is more or less similar in any western nation with winner takes all/first past the post. These systems suck because they make change very difficult and severely shorten the levers people have on the political processes of their countries, but we live in the world we have, not the world we wish we had.
Not down voting you, in case it matters to ya, but largely disagree.
People here (just lemmy generally) tend to be completely irrational and anal about terms and just want to dunk on the establishment while having no actual plans to achieve their goals.
That’s what I have always found almost anywhere, and Lemmy is the first place online where I’ve run into the opposite - sincere, informed, motivated individuals who not only have a plan, but actively work towards it IRL. Sure, there’s plenty of do-nothing know-it-all types, I’ve almost certainly been one myself here more than once - but if you’re seeing that as the primary Lemmy thing, sounds like you just need to curate your Lemmy feed. Get away from the folks wanting to recreate Reddit, ya know? Pretty sure that’s where a lotta the “I know everything, but have done and will do nothing” personalities came from anyway.
I don’t find this to be true. There are real activist groups that meet and have actual plans to support parties, policies etc with door to door campaigning and more. You have none of that on Lemmy. Just people making guillotine memes.
and Lemmy is the first place online where I’ve run into the opposite - sincere, informed, motivated individuals who not only have a plan, but actively work towards it IRL.
I have not seen a singular person who that description fits my entire time being on Lemmy.
but if you’re seeing that as the primary Lemmy thing, sounds like you just need to curate your Lemmy feed.
This seems really dismissive without any actionable examples.
Get away from the folks wanting to recreate Reddit, ya know? Pretty sure that’s where a lotta the “I know everything, but have done and will do nothing” personalities came from anyway.
I actually disagree tremendously, because something that has actually bothered me was seeing that reddit has more communities with people who actually plan protests, campaigns, user action, etc.
I imagine part of that is due to the much smaller lemmy user numbers, but I haven’t seen any actual events result from lemmy.
We really have very different experiences it seems. And honestly, I think that’s for the best! A big strength of federation-style tech.
Some responses:
I intentionally stopped short of pointing you toward the parts of Lemmy I was talking about. I don’t know you - if you’re curious, you’ll find em; but I don’t know you and they aren’t “my” spaces, I’m not going to inflict you on them just to make a point, know what I mean?
if you’re willing (feel free to tell me to fuck myself lol, given my statement above), where are you finding these “real activist groups”? I can’t say I’ve ever once seen the like online. To be fair, I tuned out of “social media” (the big platforms) more than 10 years ago and spent a considerable amount of that time jaded and uninvolved on that level.
I really can’t understand any defence of modern Reddit whatsoever (assuming you’re defending modern Reddit, you didn’t indicate otherwise). For a long time now it’s been hilariously controlled, are you talking about subreddits that have managed to fly under the radar or something?
completely agree that we got a whoooole lotta thoughtless meme’ing here. Pretty much comes with the territory though…
Oh, edit to add - I also haven’t seen IRL events organized on Lemmy, agree with you there. That’s not at all what I was saying, my bad - I meant that I run into folks who do IRL organizing, and happen to chime in about things online. The opposite of “online -> IRL” you’re describing.
Thanks, and no worries. I’m used to that here. I just wish there was more sane and productive conversation about how to actually get the goals people who in theory agree with me politically accomplished.
People here (just lemmy generally) tend to be completely irrational and anal about terms and just want to dunk on the establishment while having no actual plans to achieve their goals.
Basically, most people here (myself included) are progressives, in favour of many socialist elements in the short term and even more in the longer term, and there are some lunatics who somehow want soviet union style socialism (not realizing that that would obviously and inherently immediately lead to the type of corruption we saw there).
They are quite displeased with the democrats in the US who they view as (and I agree) center right neoliberals, which just basically means they’re mostly fine with things continuing as is, sans the most obvious horrific things.
They frequently fail to realize that because there is a 2 party system (as its winner takes all/first past the post) that the literal only way to get any progressive momentum is through continued strong support of said democrats (or whatever major party is closest to their views) whilst using primaries, local and state politics (or equivalents for other countries) to shift them towards being progressive, and so they love to make edgy memes about revolutions they will never carry out (because that’s easy, fun, and doesn’t require real work) rather than the boring, unfun, actionable plans that do work.
Just to be clear, of course my criticisms apply for the people being impractical, and not the practical progressives, protesting, still voting, etc etc.
This is more or less similar in any western nation with winner takes all/first past the post. These systems suck because they make change very difficult and severely shorten the levers people have on the political processes of their countries, but we live in the world we have, not the world we wish we had.
Not down voting you, in case it matters to ya, but largely disagree.
That’s what I have always found almost anywhere, and Lemmy is the first place online where I’ve run into the opposite - sincere, informed, motivated individuals who not only have a plan, but actively work towards it IRL. Sure, there’s plenty of do-nothing know-it-all types, I’ve almost certainly been one myself here more than once - but if you’re seeing that as the primary Lemmy thing, sounds like you just need to curate your Lemmy feed. Get away from the folks wanting to recreate Reddit, ya know? Pretty sure that’s where a lotta the “I know everything, but have done and will do nothing” personalities came from anyway.
I don’t find this to be true. There are real activist groups that meet and have actual plans to support parties, policies etc with door to door campaigning and more. You have none of that on Lemmy. Just people making guillotine memes.
I have not seen a singular person who that description fits my entire time being on Lemmy.
This seems really dismissive without any actionable examples.
I actually disagree tremendously, because something that has actually bothered me was seeing that reddit has more communities with people who actually plan protests, campaigns, user action, etc.
I imagine part of that is due to the much smaller lemmy user numbers, but I haven’t seen any actual events result from lemmy.
Interesting!
We really have very different experiences it seems. And honestly, I think that’s for the best! A big strength of federation-style tech.
Some responses:
I intentionally stopped short of pointing you toward the parts of Lemmy I was talking about. I don’t know you - if you’re curious, you’ll find em; but I don’t know you and they aren’t “my” spaces, I’m not going to inflict you on them just to make a point, know what I mean?
if you’re willing (feel free to tell me to fuck myself lol, given my statement above), where are you finding these “real activist groups”? I can’t say I’ve ever once seen the like online. To be fair, I tuned out of “social media” (the big platforms) more than 10 years ago and spent a considerable amount of that time jaded and uninvolved on that level.
I really can’t understand any defence of modern Reddit whatsoever (assuming you’re defending modern Reddit, you didn’t indicate otherwise). For a long time now it’s been hilariously controlled, are you talking about subreddits that have managed to fly under the radar or something?
completely agree that we got a whoooole lotta thoughtless meme’ing here. Pretty much comes with the territory though…
Oh, edit to add - I also haven’t seen IRL events organized on Lemmy, agree with you there. That’s not at all what I was saying, my bad - I meant that I run into folks who do IRL organizing, and happen to chime in about things online. The opposite of “online -> IRL” you’re describing.
Very cool of you with the measured response.
Thank you for the explanation. Sorry it means you’re catching strays. But I do appreciate the well thought out response.
Thanks, and no worries. I’m used to that here. I just wish there was more sane and productive conversation about how to actually get the goals people who in theory agree with me politically accomplished.
Fuck this hits my soul. You got me shedding a literal tear.