Everyone knows the tale of Brand X getting bought out by some faceless global conglomerate and going to shit, but does the opposite ever happen?

  • bob_wiley@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    ARM Windows devices have been getting sold, but if you build your own ARM system, or buy an ARM system with no OS, you can’t just order a copy of Windows for it on Amazon. It makes it feel like it is very much still a beta product and those buying the ARM Windows systems are the guinea pigs.

    Developers rarely listen to Microsoft when something is asked for. Microsoft has shown time and time again that their bark has no bite, so developers don’t waste their time. It’s why UWP failed and countless other things. Apple may create a lot of work for developers to keep up with wherever they’re doing, but at least the devs know if Apple says to do something, they mean it, and it doesn’t feel like a complete waste of time at the end of the day.

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      1 year ago

      Can you not just install Windows 11 normally on an ARM processor? I would think it’d be included with a normal installer but idk for sure, do people even build custom ARM rigs?

      Its sort of a give and take though still, you can’t really build a hackintosh without very specific parts so… The fact there is no “macOS for ARM” copy available at all makes the point somewhat moot no?

      UWP still exists, Microsoft is like the only one still developing them though, there are a few others but it’s definitely not a focus for any devs outside of Microsoft that I’ve seen.

      Though I do agree that Apple generally sticks to their decisions whether for better or for worse :p

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          1 year ago

          Right gotcha, wasn’t aware there isn’t an installable windows for ARM specifically.

          I know though, that’s kind of my point, the landscape and way in which windows works on way way more configurations compared to Mac (simply due to the differences we’ve both pointed out) makes it not quite a fair comparison, Apple controls all aspects of the hardware and ONLY their hardware (or choice of hardware) is made to work with it, so it’s much easier for them to develop and force people over to ARM or whatever specific system they’re pushing developers and users towards, whereas windows is much more backwards compatible and users/manufacturers/devs have a lot more options out there.

          Similar to Android vs iOS, it’s a lot easier to tightly control and force certain things when you’re the arbiter of where people can install apps, what hardware it can run on, and every design aspect.

          • bob_wiley@lemmy.world
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            1 year ago

            That’s fair. I guess I figured after over a decade since Windows RT first released, and with the popularity of ARM starting to ramp up, Windows would be in a better position, with hardware and chip makers working with them to ensure support. I suppose most of the ARM devices have been hobbyist devices using Linux.

            With the success of Apple Silicon, it seems like a lot of companies are looking into making their own chips. If Microsoft isn’t careful they might miss this boat, the same way they missed mobile.