This is not a zero-sum game, you can do fucking both.
See, thats the thing. You can’t. People have limited time and bandwidth. Doing something with a burn rate thats 9:1 with its rate of success, vs something with 1:9 makes no sense.
But I will not stand for
Doesn’t sound like you stand for much of anything tbh, so Im not sure this makes a difference.
saying it’s useless to reach people they don’t agree with
That’s not what was said, and you know that. The fact you have to resort to dishonest arguments betrays how weak your position really is.
The people I suggested reaching are still people with who progressives disagree, they just aren’t fuelled by hate.
Not only does this work, I am standing testament to it working.
This is very interesting and telling to me, but not in the way you’re hoping Im guessing.
but I promise you
I can promise you that your promises mean absolutely nothing to me. You’re also arguing against a point that isnt debated.
I promise you in real-life conversations you can change people.
You can, over long periods of time, with tremendously more effort than if you started with people that weren’t already off the deep end and weren’t already so far you lived in different universes.
Peer pressure from having converted the people who didn’t care will do far more work than fruitlessly banging heads against brick walls… racist brick walls at that.
What are you even hoping to accomplish here other than trying to get recognized for having bad experiences?
See, here we have more bad faith from you where you pretend that you being unwilling to engage with my point, means that the only reason I don’t align with you must be because of bad experiences rather than the plain logistics reasons I laid out of work in to result out. It makes no sense to start with the inefficient option.
See, thats the thing. You can’t. People have limited time and bandwidth. Doing something with a burn rate thats 9:1 with its rate of success, vs something with 1:9 makes no sense.
Doesn’t sound like you stand for much of anything tbh, so Im not sure this makes a difference.
That’s not what was said, and you know that. The fact you have to resort to dishonest arguments betrays how weak your position really is.
The people I suggested reaching are still people with who progressives disagree, they just aren’t fuelled by hate.
This is very interesting and telling to me, but not in the way you’re hoping Im guessing.
I can promise you that your promises mean absolutely nothing to me. You’re also arguing against a point that isnt debated.
You can, over long periods of time, with tremendously more effort than if you started with people that weren’t already off the deep end and weren’t already so far you lived in different universes.
Peer pressure from having converted the people who didn’t care will do far more work than fruitlessly banging heads against brick walls… racist brick walls at that.
See, here we have more bad faith from you where you pretend that you being unwilling to engage with my point, means that the only reason I don’t align with you must be because of bad experiences rather than the plain logistics reasons I laid out of work in to result out. It makes no sense to start with the inefficient option.