Israeli forces killed a pair of Palestinian men in the occupied West Bank after they appeared to surrender to troops, drawing Palestinian accusations that the men were executed “in cold blood.”
    • perestroika@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      2 days ago

      answersplease77@lemmy.world wrote:

      and took the bodies afterward for organ harvesting

      False. Instead they used an excacator to collapse part of the warehouse building (the rather large liftable door) on the victims’ bodies, likely hoping to hide their deeds for a while. They were unaware that a journalist was filming them with a telephoto lens.

        • perestroika@slrpnk.netEnglish
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          1 day ago

          Stop bluffing, unless you know what it takes to get an organ successfully transplanted to someone. And I see you don’t.

          A really simple rule: if one would intend to get transplantable organs, one would not drop construction material on the person. One would transport the person to a hospital without any delay. Doctors would be the persons telling of which violations are happening.

          As things are, both Israel and some other countries (Russia) have the habit of returning the bodies of some prisoners who died under suspicious circumstances without some organs. For example, an Ukrainian journalist’s body was returned without her brain and throat. No, she’s not living in another body, brain transplants are fantasy. She was likely strangled to death and organs removed to conceal torture.

          I am currently under the impression that this practise serves the purpose of concealing torture (or other crimes) in several places, with one exception - China.

          China has been credibly accused of actually harvesting organs from prisoners executed in prisons. This is feasible for them, since a prisoner after execution can be tested before they are killed, and is immediately available for dissection and cooling of organs, which can then be rushed to an airport for sending to the correct hospital. I have good reason to suspect it’s happening. Needless to say, it’s an extremely serious crime.

          However, I have not heard of any successful (no matter whether voluntary or forced) organ donation from a person who experienced circulatory death in field conditions and was transported slowly from a considerable distance. Jenin is in the West Bank. Do you think doctors in the West Bank would accommodate a request from the IDF to remove, test and cool organs for from a shooting victim for transplantation? I don’t think even Israeli doctors would.

          If you think differently, I would like to see evidence.

          As the thread tells us, IDF committed two war crimes: shooting prisoners and desecrating their bodies. There is no need to spread silly rumours on top of that. Reality is bad enough.

          • answersplease77@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            19 hours ago

            First, there are hundreds of pieces of evidence and doctor testimonies proving that the IOF have been organ harvesting their hostages.

            Secondly regarding this case, I hope you’re right and I hope the IOF are incapable of doing further crimes to these bodies. It’s also a sad relief that the they just executed them instead of torturing them to death as the IOF have been doing to whoever they capture.

            • perestroika@slrpnk.netEnglish
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              5 hours ago

              Hundreds aren’t needed, a reference to maybe 3 highest credibility reports that you have, would be good to look at.

              • answersplease77@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                4 hours ago

                https://lemmy.world/comment/20435119

                all this list of articles + look up the testomonies of doctors who worked in Gaza’s docotrs without borders foundations on youtube. + Dr Ghassan Abu Sittah 's photos & testimony that he gave when he came back. Those are all UK, US, Australian doctors btw… not Khhaamahuus. I know your lame butt is too cynical and too lazy to google this yourself. You see the list I gave you in that comment? at lesst 20 sources right there. It’s not my issue if you are not convinced, and I will not do your homework.
                You go do your research or choose to stuff your stinking propagonda you desprately try to spread despite the truth and hundrends of resources and testominies there up your brain and live with it.

                • perestroika@slrpnk.netEnglish
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                  3 hours ago

                  You go do your research or choose to stuff your stinking propagonda you desprately try to spread despite the truth and hundrends of resources and testominies there up your brain and live with it.

                  Sure, get agitated and start name-calling me, that will help convince me and others.

                  Thanks for providing the link, however. I reviewed all the links you posted in that thread. Your claim does not have firm evidence.

                  Source 3 (trtworld): they suspect the possibility, but don’t have firm evidence.

                  The Palestinian Prisoners’ Media Office also cited possible organ theft from some of the retrieved bodies. “Preliminary data indicates the possibility of human organs being stolen from some bodies, in a crime that transcends humanity and reveals a systematic criminal practice by the occupation against Palestinians both alive and dead,” the office said in a statement.

                  Source 5 (Middle East Eye) includes more information about who made the claim. The damage reported to the bodies is not consistent with removing an organ for transplantation.

                  “When we examined the bodies, we found that large parts were missing. There were half bodies, bodies without heads, without limbs, without eyes, and without internal organs,” he told Al Jazeera, adding that there was a high possibility that Israel stole these organs.

                  Source 8 (Al Jazeera) describes damage more vividly. It is not consistent with organ removal for transplantation.

                  Many appeared decomposed or burned. Some were missing limbs or teeth, while others were coated in sand and dust. Health officials have said Israeli restrictions on allowing DNA testing equipment into Gaza have often forced morgues to rely on physical features and clothing for identification.

                  Now I will say what I think of it. I think your claim is untrue. The condition of the bodies proves torture and executions, but does not prove organ theft.

                  I additionally note: stolen organs don’t disappear, they are received by someone in a narrow timeframe (which can be matched up later), and there has to be a story told to the recipient. Transplantation has to be done by a team of people. If a crime is being committed, it’s pretty hard to make sure every team member stays silent. Later on, the transplanted organ continues to bear the genes of the person whom it belonged to. If doubt arises about the origin of the organ, genetic testing can confirm or deny a specific person, or give an ethnic profile of the donor, which can be narrowed down to find the family of the donor and ask them about their fate.