I don’t mean you are lying or anything like that friend. There is a certain unique language to witnesses. Most of my reply was me showing my authenticity, and that was to see if anyone more recently familiar had any corrections to make or might want to chat over common ground.
One of the oddities of Jehovah’s Witnesses is that they have a disproportionately large footprint in human rights legislation regarding the right to knock on people’s front door. It may seem annoying, but this impacts postal, logistics, neighborhood kids playing, and the public commons around the world. To a lesser extent, also the fundamental right of a citizen to error, to be skeptical, to all sources of information, and to offend, aka dissent in all nonviolent forms (though indirectly).
They are also apolitical. While doing nothing is still a useful tool for conservatives, at least they are a group of dogmatic people that would otherwise be sympathetic to spurious and populist politics, but are removed from that danger.
Anyways, I’m trying to frame this softly. Legally, soliciting is defined as the sale of goods or services. Witnesses generally ignore those. You need something to the effect of ‘no evangelists’ if you want to stop Witnesses and Mormons.
When it comes to lists like returning to a do not call or a person that is disfellowshipped, you might end up on a call list record. The elders in a hall have an overseer that visits each hall a couple of times a year for a week. That person is checking to make sure everything is managed correctly. So long as someone technically tried to call on the address once, that is all that matters. It would have been a couple of old men, probably at 11 am on a weekday when the odds of them finding the right address, you hearing them, or being home are extremely low. The statistics of actually encountering people at the door are very low.
Only the most obnoxious or oblivious witnesses, and pioneers are likely to ignore your sign. When I was young, it was all I knew, and I was one of those. It wasn’t because I wanted to argue with you. It was because it erodes the legal rights of citizens to categorize noncommercial activities as solicitation.
I’m sorry if it came off that way; I didn’t think anything of it, my reply was more just “I haven’t experienced that but I believe you so genuinely thanks for the added info” :)
I genuinely appreciate when people share information with me, especially if it’s from a perspective I don’t have, so I appreciate the time you took, not once but twice, to pass on information, not just to me but to anyone else who might read it.
However, in my area a no soliciting sign covers basically everything except politics and census. Anyone who knocks on or leaves garbage at a door with a no-soliciting sign can and should be reported, and if they keep getting reported, they get fined, lose their permit, or can be sued for trespassing. It doesn’t matter if they are selling junk or selling religion, it’s still a solicitor according to local law, and is therefore not allowed. One of the few things we do right here.
This definition isn’t from my specific local laws, as I can’t easily find those online, but is reasonably close so I’m linking it anyway, and these increased regulations are all over the place, not just my state/area. I know these regulations because I did canvassing and figured I should brush up on it since the people in charge were not from the area and were giving bad advice.
The code defines solicitor as any person who distributes literature, who is obtaining information or opinions, who is seeking to obtain contributions of money, services, property, or financial assistance of any kind, or who is attempting to promote any cause or conviction. … Both Solicitors and Transient Merchants are restricted to a time period of 9:00 am-9:00 pm and cannot call upon a dwelling with a posted No Soliciting sign.
Hey, it doesn’t mean much of anything to me. Like don’t go rounding up my extended family, but other than that, whatever. I bet there is legislation in your area where witnesses have challenged it and lost. Thing is, they try to find witnesses that are lawyers, yet are anti education beyond that which is required by law. So their pool of candidates is dismal as are their results.
The way the world is changing, and the poor state of unfiltered information exchange in the present, I worry that such a law may ultimately prevent people from nonviolent dissent, skepticism, and access to politically inconvenient truths. Canvassing is rarely used now, but is the only form of information sharing that we the people fully own.
I’d rather not have unexpected guests too. With my physical disability, it is much more trouble for me than most.
Dogma is one of the worst traits in humans. So I do not faulting anyone for disliking the spread of that disease, few overcome the illness.
I don’t mean you are lying or anything like that friend. There is a certain unique language to witnesses. Most of my reply was me showing my authenticity, and that was to see if anyone more recently familiar had any corrections to make or might want to chat over common ground.
One of the oddities of Jehovah’s Witnesses is that they have a disproportionately large footprint in human rights legislation regarding the right to knock on people’s front door. It may seem annoying, but this impacts postal, logistics, neighborhood kids playing, and the public commons around the world. To a lesser extent, also the fundamental right of a citizen to error, to be skeptical, to all sources of information, and to offend, aka dissent in all nonviolent forms (though indirectly).
They are also apolitical. While doing nothing is still a useful tool for conservatives, at least they are a group of dogmatic people that would otherwise be sympathetic to spurious and populist politics, but are removed from that danger.
Anyways, I’m trying to frame this softly. Legally, soliciting is defined as the sale of goods or services. Witnesses generally ignore those. You need something to the effect of ‘no evangelists’ if you want to stop Witnesses and Mormons.
When it comes to lists like returning to a do not call or a person that is disfellowshipped, you might end up on a call list record. The elders in a hall have an overseer that visits each hall a couple of times a year for a week. That person is checking to make sure everything is managed correctly. So long as someone technically tried to call on the address once, that is all that matters. It would have been a couple of old men, probably at 11 am on a weekday when the odds of them finding the right address, you hearing them, or being home are extremely low. The statistics of actually encountering people at the door are very low.
Only the most obnoxious or oblivious witnesses, and pioneers are likely to ignore your sign. When I was young, it was all I knew, and I was one of those. It wasn’t because I wanted to argue with you. It was because it erodes the legal rights of citizens to categorize noncommercial activities as solicitation.
I’m sorry if it came off that way; I didn’t think anything of it, my reply was more just “I haven’t experienced that but I believe you so genuinely thanks for the added info” :)
I genuinely appreciate when people share information with me, especially if it’s from a perspective I don’t have, so I appreciate the time you took, not once but twice, to pass on information, not just to me but to anyone else who might read it.
However, in my area a no soliciting sign covers basically everything except politics and census. Anyone who knocks on or leaves garbage at a door with a no-soliciting sign can and should be reported, and if they keep getting reported, they get fined, lose their permit, or can be sued for trespassing. It doesn’t matter if they are selling junk or selling religion, it’s still a solicitor according to local law, and is therefore not allowed. One of the few things we do right here.
This definition isn’t from my specific local laws, as I can’t easily find those online, but is reasonably close so I’m linking it anyway, and these increased regulations are all over the place, not just my state/area. I know these regulations because I did canvassing and figured I should brush up on it since the people in charge were not from the area and were giving bad advice.
https://www.villageoffoxpoint.com/391/Peddlers-Solicitors-Transient-Merchants
Hey, it doesn’t mean much of anything to me. Like don’t go rounding up my extended family, but other than that, whatever. I bet there is legislation in your area where witnesses have challenged it and lost. Thing is, they try to find witnesses that are lawyers, yet are anti education beyond that which is required by law. So their pool of candidates is dismal as are their results.
The way the world is changing, and the poor state of unfiltered information exchange in the present, I worry that such a law may ultimately prevent people from nonviolent dissent, skepticism, and access to politically inconvenient truths. Canvassing is rarely used now, but is the only form of information sharing that we the people fully own.
I’d rather not have unexpected guests too. With my physical disability, it is much more trouble for me than most.
Dogma is one of the worst traits in humans. So I do not faulting anyone for disliking the spread of that disease, few overcome the illness.